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[skitter30]

VP Baltar ~ unsure? had some scumvibes earlier but i do actually like that you're caring enuf abt my alignment to meta me, i think that's unlikely to come from

town

here

*obligatory scumslip post acknowledgement

i meant scum obviously

[skitter30]

House - scumvibes

Considering I hard defend townreads as town as well as wk town as scum (so I can get away with defending my buddies as scum), whining about me defending you is irrelevant as that behavior is NAI coming from me.

What else do you have?

if you can answer these, i would appreciate it:
why do you scumread frog, and what are you now townreading dats, and how do you read vp

[skitter30]

the exact fact that i haven't seen shit from a50 is what makes me think he's more likely scum than rand, since i feel like town!him would've like... done *something*? the fact that he's dropped the claim and nothing more feels like a lazy attempt at pretending to be a quirky wifom-y townie

so the thing is that i think he, as both alignments, drops that sort of claim, and tbh i probably believe it, but the thing is that i think town-him has other real content, and scum-him is likely to not

i don't know how much this 'changing playstyle' thing affects this read tho

[Frogsterking]

Oh i meant "pr" as in "power reader". I think Lap is a power reader so we should not get rid of him because we might need him. Lap, who do you think is the mafia?

[skitter30]

lol ok

~
after actually reading through, i feel better abt vp, worse about a50

[House]

House - scumvibes

Considering I hard defend townreads as town as well as wk town as scum (so I can get away with defending my buddies as scum), whining about me defending you is irrelevant as that behavior is NAI coming from me.

What else do you have?

if you can answer these, i would appreciate it:
why do you scumread frog, and what are you now townreading dats, and how do you read vp

Datisi was an early/troll push. I'd be more suspicious about a sticky vote this early in the game, personally.

People are completely writing Frog off as town for... whatever fucking reasons that I ain't seeing. I've explained my vote, thank you.

I'd eliminate frog over Baltar all day, err'day. #sorrynotsorry

[House]

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

[House]

Lime, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

[House]

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

[skitter30]

ok that doesn't really help me understand how you're viewing either frog or vp, but ok

wrt frog:
- i think he legitimately thinks the survey will help him (us?) find scum, and i'm not sure that scum dives into this game believing that so strongly
- he's had a couple of posts where he deepdived on his reads about people (you, and one for vp), and while i don't necessarily agree with his thought process, it seems to me like he's thought about those reads *a lot*, and that they make sense to him (/ they're internally consistent with how i believe him to be approachign the game)
- i don't exactly have the words for this but i don't think he's playign this game in the plane that scum would be. he feels a little ~disconnected~ from the overall gamestate in a way that i don't think scum would be

if you could, like, put words to your baltar read i would appreciate it

[House]

if you could, like, put words to your baltar read i would appreciate it

Nah, but don't take it personally. It's just that you're full of shit about frog so I have no desire to work with you until you pull your head out of your ass.

[skitter30]

well then

[VP Baltar]

Let me post my hip shot reads and see if anything interesting surfaces for me since I'm not necessarily loving my vote right now:

Andresvmb

- IDK, hasn't posted much. What's there is within his town range, but I've never seen him as scum I don't think. I usually get a good feel for andres as the game goes on. Wouldn't yeet D1.

Datisi

- You know what's fucked? The only other time I can remember Datisi easy town reading me early was in 2175 when he was scum. I know this because he talks about this game a lot and I actually just looked it up. Other than that, has seemed townish. Would not yeet D1.

skitter30

- Seems within town range, my weird gut feels aside.

OutWorldER

- Seems pretty reasonable. Maybe slightly aggressive out of the gate and tryharding, but can't say I find him that scummy. Nullish. Maybe lean town.

Reformed Toxic Player

- Being RTP and playing things fairly close to the vest so far. Maybe would have expected a little more spice at this point, but oh well. Null.

Something_Smart

- Nothing burger posts. I should probably look at SS's play early on in that large game I replaced into, but IDK if I will. Have more opinions SS. Null.

Aristeia

- Seems to be playing a somewhat similar game to Open 840 so far...which means not saying a lot yet. I get the sense Ari likes to sit and watch a bit before going after people, which is fine I guess. Null to lean town. Would not yeet D1.

innocentvillager

- stated my feelings earlier on this. null to lean scum maybe.

Laplacian

- I can't remember any hard stances he's taken. Seems like he might start playing here now though. I'll reserve judgement with a Null.

Frogsterking

- I go back and forth here. The survey is kind of ridiculous and seems like a tryhard thing to duplicate in a scum game to gain credit. His arguments with people are also terrible...which is maybe townpoints? Trying to not let a personal bias against long winded posts affect my read here too much. Wildcard null at any given moment!

House

- Acting belligerent with people for no reason, which weirdly is a posting style I enjoy as long as the game doesn't become toxic? Lean town though. He's saying things and flipping stances without caring too much how people read it.

Almost50

- Can't tell if A50 is legit just treating the game differently after a break or is using that as a cover to lurk. It's obv throwing me, and others it seems. Would like a little more engagement pretty please A50? Null to lean scum.

[House]

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

Also, being "disconnected from the game" is NOT something I'd associated with town.

[Frogsterking]

Actually House really seems like he thinks my play is suboptimal, i feel like a scum might not push that aspect so hard but i don't know what his scum range is.

[innocentvillager]

House is town

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: a50

[Frogsterking]

Shoot, mod?

--deleted duplicate posts

[innocentvillager]

i am going to be a bit selfish because i'd like to believe this might help me read this game

Spoiler: do not open if your name isn't vp baltar

The first prototype of this start was used in a Mini Normal and that game ended in a town win!!

Can I get a link to this game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85345

I opened this

[House]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: a50

I can support this. I dislike his lack of engagement.

Unlike skitter, I don't consider it town indicative. Especially from A50.

VOTE: Almost50

[skitter30]

i didn't say his lack of engagement was town-indicative, i said it might explain the scumpings (i.e. make what's pinging me nai)

[House]

i didn't say his lack of engagement was town-indicative, i said it might explain the scumpings (i.e. make what's pinging me nai)

- i don't exactly have the words for this but i don't think he's playign this game in the plane that scum would be. he feels a little ~disconnected~ from the overall gamestate in a way that i don't think scum would be

Also of note, you completely ignore everything I'm posting him on, myself.

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

[House]

i didn't say his lack of engagement was town-indicative, i said it might explain the scumpings (i.e. make what's pinging me nai)

- i don't exactly have the words for this but i don't think he's playign this game in the plane that scum would be. he feels a little ~disconnected~ from the overall gamestate in a way that i don't think scum would be

Also of note, you completely ignore everything I'm pushing* him on, myself.

Who the fuck pushes a suspected deepwolf on d1 instead of trying to find actual scum?

It gives way too much room for the wagoner to just shrug off a green flip.

Like*, he's basically saying the fact there's no case to be made against me IS THE CASE AGAINST ME.

EBWOP

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

Sigh. EBWOP

[innocentvillager]

House, what is your thought on IV?

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

I'm not even gonna pretend to have a read on players with older join dates than my own this early on d1.

... except Titus. I'll call her town on page 1 and marry that read.

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

You're probably considered old guard at this point. But why do you feel that way?

Not really, I was only active for a couple years.

I've only recently (legitimately) returned.

I was here a while under different names evading my indefinite ban, but my play was so stilted trying to avoid being caught out that those games didn't really benefit me much.

I still feel like a rookie, in many respects.

Why are you wary of people you consider old guard though?

Experience typically translates to skilled scum.

Note that you're admitting that your own join date isn't reflective of your experience but generalizing it to other people

Fwiw I'd say I'm in relatively the same boat. I take a lot of hiatuses and have varying levels of motivation for this game.

Even so, my current meta is very polarized and it has historically been easy to tell scum!me apart from town!me. I've been playing scum for a while but it's still very distinguishable from my towngame, you can ask anyone here. I get the sense that you are somewhat of the same way.

If I need to be flipped this game to establish that this is kind of play from me going forward is part of my town meta that's fine. Also, I'm not necessarily that much busier per say, but I just don't want to be devoting boatloads of my time and energy to this game anymore. Some recent games took a lot out of me; I'm experimenting here and trying to strike a balance. If that means I get yeeted more often as town and am considered and even worse player than I already am, I will learn to accept it. Or maybe I'll siteflake again, who knows honestly.

Why wouldn't the mafia just lie on your survey?

completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test report

Also these are both very interesting responses, so credit to Frogster for eliciting them.

Why do you think these responses are towny? The Datisi one I can maybe maybe see, but definitely not the VP Baltar one.

[innocentvillager]

Datisi - You know what's fucked? The only other time I can remember Datisi easy town reading me early was in 2175 when he was scum. I know this because he talks about this game a lot and I actually just looked it up. Other than that, has seemed townish. Would not yeet D1.

I was scum with Datisi in this game, and you were not in it. Unless you're alt of someone.