Open 843 - Divide & Conquer - Game Over!

[Brighter Puppy]

if we can lock one of dunn/std/dwlee as town.
Which I am nearing the idea that Dwlee lock town. Then maybe we can lim in the 3?

[Prism]

Whatever I'm just going to go drink more of my fucking Elmer's I will be by tomorrow

[Brighter Puppy]

prism im sure this isn't the time to be giving u advice, but ill give it anyways.
its not worth it to be upset over people calling u bad at mafia or snping at u.

dunnstral literally would never care if i started to pile on him for any of his mistakes in games. He shrugs them off.
like either the person is trying to push ur buttons and then question is why u letting them manipulate you, or they just voicing opinion its misunderstanding and then what does getting upset about it do, can channel that to solve why ur angry than not

okay mafia therapist over. take advice or leave it

[Dunnstral]

Again, I'm not talking about Todoroki, and I've never made it personal. You are making yourself out to be a victim of an injustice that doesn't exist.

[Prism]

I do not believe this is a good faith conversation. While the statement is literally about the pairings, I do not think that was your only point. You also previously accused me of shifting the blame for Todoroki onto you, and have gone out of your way in several posts to take snipes that lie one the border between personal and play (ie. "I get that being wrong is your thing this game") even if this is not the immediate topic.

I don't want to talk about this with you further, either now or later.

[Dunnstral]

This is a mafia game

[Prism]

I agree. Again, I do not wish to talk with you about this further, either now or later.

[Brighter Puppy]

I wouldn't say coast but yeah I wasn't expecting such a big fight from you. Regardless you gave me a challenging 1v1 experience that I'll never forget, so thanks for that at least <3

fr i wanna be same-alignment with you some time, youre fun.

i question you because i figure the only way you get scumread is if you fumble some questions. perhaps i shouldve stated these points more assertively as cases so that you'd feel more pressured in responding to them; but, i dont think that would work, i think even the people townreading me tend to view my cases as, bad (which, idk, probably means they are!) and you could comfortably ignore them for that reason. you kinda did this when i raised the inconsistent attitude in your d1 play, and the inconsistency within that inconsistency; you just, say there's no real case, because you figure i havent brought enough new to the point to make people reconsider it. even now, im talking to you because i want to make you engage on my terms, i think that's how you slip up. and i think youre correct to largely deny me this, youre the one with something to lose if we engage in dialogue, even at this point in the game, dwlee isnt that sure. and there's always the chance that puppy or std (regardless of alignment) comes in to save you even if dwlee is on-path to flipping more definitively (puppy especially just, doesnt believe that my approach here is a town approach).

and fuck, i wont lie. yes i want to be townread lmao, ofc i do things to look town here.

Prism do u not read a post like this and not see someone who is talking to someone who they know is town?
Its a soft tone.

Like when I know someone is scum, I might be 100% willing to talk to them, but I am almost never this soft and "ohh let me explain myself better so u understand", I don't have to explain jack to that person. I am the town player, they know it. I know it. me explaining any actions is uneccessary.

This whole post looks like someone who is completely trying to avoid a direct confrontation (its not even passive aggressive)

Like u could argue to me esther is the most chill person ever, and I would still go. This ain't how town pushes someone they know is scum.

[Brighter Puppy]

I am not even saying "because esther is too nice can't be town" theres a certain kind of mentality/mindset of someone who both has a confident read, and they know the other person is caught.

Like in a police interrogation u might see indignation of accusation, u might see annoyance, you might see a lot of confidence cause they know police don't got anything. Esther reads like she thinks if she plays this aggreeable enough, works within the lines and doesn't push buttons, she can get the town her side.

I don't see that she is town confident in IV!scum. I don't see one in which she acknowledges that IV is pushing some sort of agenda or even thinking heavily on what IV overall plan is for scum. It just looks like she is a informant for police who cut a deal to comply and sell the person down the street out to get away with crime and knows its bs.

[Prism]

I see what you're saying, and it's precisely because I take this sort of pre-emptive "why you lost the cc [as scum]" tone as scum that I want to meta. I don't think the fact that it's in my scum toolset, though, means it's necessarily in hers and I stole it to begin with after losing to it as scum several times.

[Prism]

You don't really have to worry about me and I appreciate the distraction/refocus. I should really go to sleep.

I'm going to pretend this conversation with Dunnstral never happened in the morning. I am not going to try and guess whether it was intentional or not.

[mc esther]

sure, ive been pretty scant on calling an agenda (as opposed to, picking on discrepancies in his play, which ive done a little more but have not been able to link into a coherent agenda), but it's not totally absent from my posting.

i think iv expected to coast by today lmao

i figure that inno's whole "prism is obviously town" thing is him piggybacking off my earlier scumread to try and make prism look worse post-flip.

when i directly address inno in that way that continues to ping puppy, despite the literal meaning of the text, he's not actually the only person im talking to. i know there's a whole thread of people reading lmao.

[mc esther]

ive only got two completed games on-site and one of them's relatively short, so i shouldnt be too difficult to meta. i can self-meta if you want but i dont think you want.

[Brighter Puppy]

i don't plan to meta u here.
im not gonna work that hard on figuring u out.

the only two positives i have on u is that u haven't pushed consensus reads and even though i characterize ur manner as "try not to trigger anyone" i would also say u don't seem to be buddying anyone (maybe dwlee)

[Brighter Puppy]

even those positives have negatives in that
1) i don't care if people are buddying as long as it doesn't look like it has ulterior motives and is organic
2) even ur pushing non consensus reads doesn't matter cause uve waffled on enough that u could be testing enough waters that its not like trying to die on a hill to a controversial read.

[mc esther]

that was largely at prism, he's repeatedly talked about wanting to meta me. unfortunately for him, the scumgame of the pair is multiball, though the pt has enough commentary that it probably helps separate my "genuinely working with town to catch the enemy faction" posts from the "being disingenuous because i am maf" ones.

[Brighter Puppy]

I've already explained my reads

just to be clear where and when have u explained ur reads.
I looked in ur iso i barely see anything i would equate to a explanation for a read

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think much has changed from my perspective tbh

[innocentvillager]

if we can lock one of dunn/std/dwlee as town.
Which I am nearing the idea that Dwlee lock town. Then maybe we can lim in the 3?

Why is Dwlee lock again..?

[innocentvillager]

I do not believe this is a good faith conversation. While the statement is literally about the pairings, I do not think that was your only point. You also previously accused me of shifting the blame for Todoroki onto you, and have gone out of your way in several posts to take snipes that lie one the border between personal and play (ie. "I get that being wrong is your thing this game") even if this is not the immediate topic.

I don't want to talk about this with you further, either now or later.

Puppies posts on this page are otherwise dead on with my sentiments, thank you

I don’t know if I’ll have much time for this tonight

[innocentvillager]

Uhh I was gonna respond to that and say @Prism hopefully you don’t take Dunn’s comments too personally and honestly you were far from the only one on Todoroki, hope that doesn’t offend you

And also let me know where your reservations are about me/Esther being town, that will be nice to hear. I believe you had me as town earlier in this game and I think you should review and see that is still true of me now.

[innocentvillager]

IV the reason I'm not answering you is because I've already explained my reads and I made it clear that the 6p hood was the focus today, and you keep trying to get me to talk about the 3p hood. I would have liked to have eliminated Dwlee today but we have to play around Prism already so when both of you/mc esther refuse to hammer dwlee (and one of you is mafia, by the way) we have to play around prism which means eliminating in the 3p hood in order to get a town consensus.

If you are town then you are the bully and not vice versa. You deadlocked something that from your point of view confirmed scum wasn't hammering, and convincing Prism that they're wrong is impossible.

Can you elaborate on like, everything here? Im not really sure what you’re saying.

Like I don’t believe you explained why Esther is town and I am scum so I would like to see an explanation here

[innocentvillager]

It's not Dwlee because as I've already mentioned our approach would be way different.

It's not STD because I don't shade him for the Todo hammer like I did. I'd be pretty sussed about hammering in general and doubt I would let STD do that. We'd also try to be way more distanced with each other rather than just me loosely calling him leantown for some dumb reason on D1.

I don't believe either of these are clearing

but even then I was FUCKING NERVOUS about this and ready to go.

wait really? i never read nervousness in ur posts u read like lazy

Laziness might be a part of my tone, I would call it more Stream of conscious/

When I say nervous I mean more about the outcome, I know the stakes are high today to not like scum literally win the whole g3 and give us another free misflip - I think this game becomes very very difficult in a f3 of dwlee std Dunnstral

[innocentvillager]

Phone posting is hard

For first quote I mean clearing is a strong word but I do think they make the pairings very unlikely given how I approach being scum.

[mc esther]

omg no dont steal my multiposting it wont make you town