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[House]

Up!

[Galron]

scumreading

mastina

is illegal

*pecks galron*

ouch

Dammit Taly

[Taly]

ily I've dropped about 80% of my seriousness arm

This game is breakable via massclaim I just don't know when it is optimal here

[Galron]

I think it's going to take a good read of some ISOs. But I've not been in a position to do that. A mass claim would supplement that.

But this thing with mastina is really bugging me. One of the problems with my theory is that scum wouldn't have killed Cheeky though because that exposes the illogic of mastina's postings.

[Galron]

And I really just want to drink and watch Dr Who re-runs right now.

[House]

This game is breakable via massclaim I just don't know when it is optimal here

Maybe, but I won't be participating.

[Taly]

*pecks House*

[Taly]

haha suck it scum I am still alive

[Taly]

Oh wait I should be in bed night

[Galron]

Fuck!

[Enchant]

Optionally for massclaim (idk why we doing this) we can claim townpicks instead.

[House]

Optionally for massclaim (idk why we doing this) we can claim townpicks instead.

Your head would split open if you read mine and it would be a terrible mess to have to clean up.

I wouldn't want to do that to the mod.

[Enchant]

Optionally for massclaim (idk why we doing this) we can claim townpicks instead.

Your head would split open if you read mine and it would be a terrible mess to have to clean up.

I wouldn't want to do that to the mod.

Well, idk if this can rival (i obviously didn't get this role, otherwise there would be bloodbath already)

Spoiler:

I suggested Loyal 99-Shot Vigilante as one of three.

If your picks on level, then i can cope.

[House]

Optionally for massclaim (idk why we doing this) we can claim townpicks instead.

Your head would split open if you read mine and it would be a terrible mess to have to clean up.

I wouldn't want to do that to the mod.

Well, idk if this can rival (i obviously didn't get this role, otherwise there would be bloodbath already)

Spoiler:

I suggested Loyal 99-Shot Vigilante as one of three.

If your picks on level, then i can cope.

That's not strange, just an unnecessary modifier.

"Loyal Vig" has the same effect.

You have much to learn, grasshopper.

[Enchant]

Now i want know your picks.

[House]

Now i want know your picks.

They're listed in the mod thread, I'm sure.

[Enchant]

Then bus your teammates harder so game will end.


Also about that.
I am not comfortable killing Scoprious for now.

[House]

I am not comfortable killing Scoprious for now.

That's okay, I am.

Not like scum never lies, and the actions he's claiming don't make sense

[Enchant]

I simple fear Scorpious is VI because of how horrible everything was executed.

Like it's only moment which stopping me.

[mastina]

This is fair,and I guess my fault. I am a JOAT, I nea'd Z NI(no result), Tried watch House last night, obviously I was jailed. I have informed and vig left.

Huh.

Weirdly enough, I actually believe this claim as town, but it would actually be a fairly bad thing in regards to Enchant and/or House.

I'm not sure if I should share what I am thinking publicly tho.

[Enchant]

Go share, why not.

[mastina]

This is fair,and I guess my fault. I am a JOAT, I nea'd Z NI(no result), Tried watch House last night, obviously I was jailed. I have informed and vig left.

Huh.

Weirdly enough, I actually believe this claim as town, but it would actually be a fairly bad thing in regards to Enchant and/or House.

I'm not sure if I should share what I am thinking publicly tho.

I'll say that in spite of the implications, I don't want to vote Enchant/House today.

I don't want to vote Scorpious here due to believing his claim has a decent chance of being real and being town. (Barring my original scenario which I thought was the case being true, which Scorpious's claim throws into doubt.)
I don't want to vote zefiend here due to zefiend's jailkeep.
I don't want to vote House/Enchant

today

, although obviously this may need reevaluation later.

I'm never voting Taly here and I still don't think that Titus is scum here.

So I'm quite liking my vote on Dwlee, thankyouverymuch!

[mastina]

We could leash

Scorp's

vig.

MOD: Would an activated Informed be possible to be roleblocked?
E.g. if an Informed were part of a JOAT, could the information fail to be given if roleblocked?

(This is something I don't think the NRG has an answer for due to how niche it is. I'm on the NRG and I don't know the answer to this, to give you an idea of how niche it is, so I don't think we have it standardized meaning I do need to ask the mod about it.)

If we don't eliminate the scum roleblocker, I'd actually prefer the use of the Informed if it can't be blocked.
(That said, if it can be blocked, the two are about equal; if we eliminate the scum roleblocker, the vig is better.)

Like i really don't know how to deal with that, unless we manage to kill roleblocker duh.

Vote Dwlee and we have a chance to do precisely that.

If Scorpious is town, I'm 100% sure that Dwlee must be scum.

Granted, Scorpious-town is not a guarantee, and Scorpious-scum still could exist even with Dwlee-scum, but if Scorpious is in fact town (and I actually believe he is), then Dwlee is lockscum here.

And guaranteed scum > probable scum here. And now, the guaranteed scum is Dwlee. They are definitely scum (if Scorpious is town), with a chance of being a scum roleblocker.

[mastina]

Right now, I am thinking massclaim might be in order. We've got a lot on the table and arguably a leashable jailkeeper

Not today. Tomorrow tho!

And yeah that is elo. Shit.

I am aware that a mislim today would be mylo tomorrow.

However, mylo and lylo are not equivalent.

You want to claim the day before lylo.

You do not want to claim the day before mylo.

In mylo, you have a choice: either you massclaim and do an elimination, OR, you don't claim and then you no-lim. (You absolutely do not massclaim then no-lim.)

I prefer massclaim + elimination, usually.

But since tomorrow is mylo, we don't claim today; we claim, then eliminate, tomorrow.

Is there a way to figure out if town has more than 3 power roles given a balanced setup?

I need someone who is more experienced in mafia setups to help me with this. It's really important.

I'm a NRG member, I can give the rundown on NRG balance fairly well.

General balance in games is 3-4 town PRs of moderate-strong (emphasis

moderate

) strength, versus all goons (or one, fairly weak, scum role).

The more/stronger roles you add to one side, the more you need to compensate on the other side.

One strong scum PR means you need 4 strong town PRs or 5 moderately strong town PRs.

Two (moderate) scum PRs means you need 4-6 town PRs. 4 if really strong, 6 if fairly weak.

Two strong scum PRs means you need 5-6 town PRs, 5 if fairly strong, 6 if fairly weak.

Three scum PRs means you need 5-6 town PRs. You can't really have three strong scum PRs because that'd push the town's PRs into too absurdly strong/numerous, so three scum PRs would be comparatively weak.

Now, granted.

One weak scum PR means you need only 3-4 moderate to strong (but emphasis strong in this case) town PRs.
Two weak scum PRs means you need only 4-5 town PRs of moderate strength.

And these are just general guidelines. The specifics vary widely, depending on the setup.

But it gives you a decent starting point.

I'll be able to give you a damn good idea come massclaim, assuming I survive to see tomorrow. (Again, we shouldn't massclaim today, we should tomorrow, so not a guarantee I live sadly. But if I do? I can break the game from the claims.)

[mastina]

This game is breakable via massclaim I just don't know when it is optimal here

Tomorrow, especially with me alive.

Optionally for massclaim (idk why we doing this) we can claim townpicks instead.

Oh definitely, we just shouldn't do that today.