open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Andante]

like, sure I have no problem just tracking mena, seeing what happens, I'm definitely pretty over the game so like, I'm not gonna hero track or whatever, but I need mena to confirm reports before we no lim

[Alyssa The Lamb]

That's the type of shit scum do when they have no endgame

I find it really hard to believe that the majority of scumteams in this game thing they're not significantly advantaged in this gamestate

If anything, scum just need to maintain their standings and avoid doing anything too crazy and they just win, scum don't do these fucking gambits unless they have to

[Andante]

I have 730 posts this game... what the actual heck... omg I'm so sorry yall

[Kaiji]

whatever.

im right.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If skitter is the n3 vig then menalque doesn't need to do shit

Just claim an innocent result on a town that is remotely reasonable to investigate and then don't leave that paper trail behind

ok alyssa

but does this supposed more optimal scenario

mean that 100% scum didn't do my proposed scenario

Does it disprove it, no

Do I think it's the action that most scumteams would have done here, no

There's a pretty major difference between the two

[Andante]

That's the type of shit scum do when they have no endgame

I find it really hard to believe that the majority of scumteams in this game thing they're not significantly advantaged in this gamestate

If anything, scum just need to maintain their standings and avoid doing anything too crazy and they just win, scum don't do these fucking gambits unless they have to

So like, kinda what SS is doing? meaning he might be maf?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If your theory is right, I expect it's right because of laziness and not because he wanted to protect the vig

[Alyssa The Lamb]

That's the type of shit scum do when they have no endgame

I find it really hard to believe that the majority of scumteams in this game thing they're not significantly advantaged in this gamestate

If anything, scum just need to maintain their standings and avoid doing anything too crazy and they just win, scum don't do these fucking gambits unless they have to

So like, kinda what SS is doing? meaning he might be maf?

He kinda just floats in general iirc

[Andante]

That's the type of shit scum do when they have no endgame

I find it really hard to believe that the majority of scumteams in this game thing they're not significantly advantaged in this gamestate

If anything, scum just need to maintain their standings and avoid doing anything too crazy and they just win, scum don't do these fucking gambits unless they have to

So like, kinda what SS is doing? meaning he might be maf?

He kinda just floats in general iirc

Yeah.. lol that's what makes this such a challenge, I know holiday he said he was tryharding and he never tryhards, I'm getting similar vibes to when he was town in a game I was in, but Kaji is convinced he's maf, so like, ehhh? SS isn't causing trouble.. hiding in the shadows...

[skitter30]

You targeted iv last night?

Well, andante's town, that's what i got out of this

I'm not sure why it would be beneficial for you to claim rn

I mean, I realize as soon as I was like "I think I should claim" I was claiming, so now it's like, ehhhhh I wasn't roleblocked last night, so that's a good sign!!

The funny part is I think it's very likely I was between maf and IV last night. Good thing I picked IV XD

You targeted iv last night?

yeah. fun fact. universal backups don't visit

up until this point i knew that andante picked jk/tracker, but thought she had picked jk
i was initially p confused by her claimed action because i wasn't sure how she'd get a result on iv with jk ... ~3579 i figured out it was tracker and not jk for all the pieces to make sense

was townreading her p strongly here because she:
- claimed her true role
- i really, really don't think scum picks tracker over jk
- the way she outed it makes it p clear that she actually is tracker and not jk

(i am aware you're not going to like this kaiji)
~

andante claimed tracker already, and you're painfully obviously town if the vig is scum

then they fakeclaimed ROFL

it's not her

i am indicating i know that she's tracker, and that i know 100% she isn't vig

explicitly keeping andante out of my vig pool (even now from you lot's pov it isn't proven she's tracker/jk bracket, esp. if you want to argue that i'm scum with her)

ex:

i already looked at cakez/catboi/mena/dats and none of them make sense to have shot either of faker/iv as a town vig
cakez/catboi slot being the top scum slot would be kinda sad for them, out of everything above the two of them i think midway is the most sus

[skitter30]

this type of thing is exactly why I was suspecting that skitter was a cop yesterday, so the fact that it's based on mechanical reasons is a particularly strong argument to me

well fwiw the role is mechanical, the townread is on play + combined with how i don't think she picks tracker this way as scum

[skitter30]

nah i want a soft from before fucking post 4.5k


when we're that deep into the game there's already a scum plan with claims


where's the indication that Vt was gotten on d1?

i didn't make one, i don't crumb generally
(see: chain of command that you said you specced, etc)

[catboi]

I remain confused as to why, even with the fear of the vig on the table, the move is to no elim when it seems to be near consensus that mena is scum


I mean I'm going to be pissed if menalque thought he was going to pull some big brain gambit and is town but the continued silence makes that more and more unlikely

[Andante]

uh oh... the tiger is back... im afraid!!! skitter I'm not voting you out here ever!!!

[skitter30]

i'm not sure me claiming is the best thing to do here but i'm not and i'll show you why i'm not when i claim

This is why I didn't think you were gonna claim JK

Like, if you're VT what's the problem claiming? I thought it meant you were like PGO, something that wouldn't want to out..

i'm not good with claiming / mechspech as town, so wasn't sure if it was the right to claim at that point, because doing so would probably trigger massclaim

pedit fwiw irregardless of mena's alignment i believe he's busy irl
i don't think him being absent is ai
(no matter how *annoying* it is)

[Kaiji]

rofl skitter is just trying to play nice with andante to make them pocketed more


andante dont let skitter only talk about how you're town make them talk about other people

[Andante]

I remain confused as to why, even with the fear of the vig on the table, the move is to no elim when it seems to be near consensus that mena is scum


I mean I'm going to be pissed if menalque thought he was going to pull some big brain gambit and is town but the continued silence makes that more and more unlikely

I can still see Mena being super far behind town.. it can't hurt to no lim and have mare and I go on mena... Like, if mena is real, I don't think he has you maf.. based on the wording of that report, probably a rxn test?

[skitter30]

skitter has done 0 solving

and u are like here like fawning over them being nice to you and doing nice things thats so annoying and why its frustrating to play with u when ur town

i object to the bolded, and being nice is something that i aspire to, and it isn't ai
trying to talk you out of scumreading her in that convo is tho ...

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Like I can see a scenario where menalque just arbitrarily yoloclaims a guilty out of nowhere and just chooses whatever scum partner of his to claim an innocent result on

But I also fully believe that it would only happen because he knows that he's in some shit and about to be flipped, and that it would make a lot more sense to do what would benefit the team the most, which would mean discussing with them what he's going to do

And I really struggle to find a reason why it would make the most sense to just draw attention to the n3 vig by claiming an inno on them from a scum partner about to go down, it's not like skitter has been a front runner for the kill all day or anything

[Kaiji]

VOTE: mena

since even gira is too scared to lim skitter, someone i thought would be on board

im going to revert to this despite saying i wouldnt

i was expecting gira to have the confidence to say something


and skitter really did wait till i left thread to come back rofl

[Kaiji]

Like I can see a scenario where menalque just arbitrarily yoloclaims a guilty out of nowhere and just chooses whatever scum partner of his to claim an innocent result on

But I also fully believe that it would only happen because he knows that he's in some shit and about to be flipped, and that it would make a lot more sense to do what would benefit the team the most, which would mean discussing with them what he's going to do

And I really struggle to find a reason why it would make the most sense to just draw attention to the n3 vig by claiming an inno on them from a scum partner about to go down, it's not like skitter has been a front runner for the kill all day or anything

when you're in limlo without me

remember what i said thx

[skitter30]

a) skitter is a known scumhunter, and even got an award for it 1 year
b) skitter was very high in the draft - so likely PR
c) scum had a vig shot to use
d) skitter has a very shallow case on why they voted cakez, and in fact has very shallow reads in general. we are on day 3 with several flips and no indication of any solve here.
like you see a few things that at best can be argued as not alignment indicative and you think theyre locktown

a - in the interest of transparency, i did not. i won dc one year and was nommed for paragon once (twice maybe?0 but didn't win it
b - vt
c - not sure why that points to me
d - cakez read was shallow, sure, but again what do you think i ought to have done better there? we were running otu of time, the other alternative option was probably a strong pr + i wasn't convinced they were scum (midway), and they were in my vig pool
what do you think town-me should have done instead

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Is this what I sounded like a couple years ago?

[skitter30]

because the inno from mena is 100% to take skitter off the table here

you realize i would never let him inno me, right?

[skitter30]

i tried to counterwagon SS but i got shut down several times - skitter was very insistent on cakez over SS for whatever reason and its really fuckin simple to see taht the different treatment is because cakez is town and SS is scum

i still dont' really scumread ss tbh