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[That Idiot Ivan]

Also, I believe the current VC looks like this:

SirCakez (3): Lady Lambdadelta, mastina, That Idiot Ivan
Rogue (1): The Bombay
mastina (1): SirCakez

Not Voting (4): StrangeMatter, T3, Rogue, Shiro

With five hours to deadline and five to elim

[morph the cat]

Vote Count 3-5

SirCakez

(3): Lady Lambdadelta, mastina, That Idiot Ivan

Rogue

(1): The Bombay

mastina

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(4): Rogue, Shiro, T3, StrangeMatter

Deadline: January 26, 2:00 PM US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-01-26 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[StrangeMatter]

I'm ready for this day to end at this point, but I really want to make full use of my ability knowing that LLD is poisoned.

[Shiro]

Vote:SirCake

I havent ready anything and will read up overnight.

I see all my townreads voting there however.

[SirCakez]

ughhhh mastina's arguments are complete garbage but deadline is close enough that it's not realistic to move the wagon

[SirCakez]

in Pokemon I had a pretty strong sense that you were town that I am not getting here

Bullshit. That wasn't you in Pokemon and you claiming it was is disingenuous as fuck, and this is

exactly

the same me as that game.

what logic points to you being town here?

Aside from the fact that my role when buffed by Shiro literally made me a Friendly Neighbor?

How about the fact that this is my town meta ten times over and I left scumastina's range a long long time ago and that this is night/day different from my scumplay? Scumplay you've seen intimately and should know what it looks like? You've seen what I look like as scum; you've seen what I look like as town. And this is

not

the scumplay. Not even remotely. It's literally the opposite in every single way. Activity. Investment. Passion. Conviction. Presence. Mindset. Push. Literally every possible metric, this is outside of my scum range. (At least the scum range of me in the last three years.)

and you did a ton to avoid voting Suripoko yesterday

Because I, correctly, called Suripoko an elimination being pushed by scum.

Guess what?

It's basically mathematically impossible for Suripoko to not have been pushed by scum.

Meaning that I was right. There's at least one scum on Suripoko, with a chance of there being two.

In a mini, would

you

join a wagon with two scum on it? Or would you fight hard to shut that wagon down because it has two scum on it?

Yes, I didn't consider the possibility that Suripoko was bussed.

But that's proof that I am town, because if I was scum then I would've known about the bus.

okay give me those receipts please
a "hard defense" is what you're claiming so lets see it

Well I am feeling too tired/lazy to do it for the entire game but I need not do the entire game to show it off:

I don't want Cakez at any potential XyLim, but I don't think he's the right choice today.

Keep in mind that with a mislim today,

tomorrow is XyLim

. Ivan HIMSELF pointed this out to LLD. Ivan pointed out that with a mislim today, tomorrow is mylo.

Ivan, in spite of saying he doesn't want SirCakez near mylo/lylo, wants to not vote SirCakez today, in spite of how if we mislim today,

tomorrow is mylo

. And Ivan KNOWS that a mislim today means tomorrow is mylo, he literally pointed it out to LLD.

So saying "I don't want SirCakez today" and "I don't want SirCakez in mylo" is literally cognitive dissonance.

The not wanting SirCakez today is to protect SirCakez; the not wanting SirCakez in mylo is appeasing LLD while she's still alive.

just lim her tomorrow please this is all bullshit and her mental gymnastics to justify her not voting Suripoko are astounding

[SirCakez]

Thinking it over, here's where I am.

I'm not organically scum-reading Cakez. If I'm wrong on that and he flips scum, I'll accept my miselim tomorrow as the price of being wrong, as that would mean I shouldn't be left alive for ElLo. I'll ask for time to post any analysis/opinions, regarding partners or otherwise, I have based on his flip and to have everyone check in.

And I'll definitely stop worrying and learn to love the Rogue-flyby.

Oh, wait.

VOTE: Rogue

Your show, LLD. My vote will move as you need, but I'm not letting this day go by without putting my money where my mouth is.

So much ded.

VOTE: SirCakez

Seven hours, people.

and someone is gonna call this "distancing" but I'm about to flip green so whatever
Ivan's progression here doesn't make much sense at all and it should be pried into tomorrow

[That Idiot Ivan]

Vote:SirCake

I havent ready anything and will read up overnight.

I see all my townreads voting there however.

I mean, to be clear, if he flips scum I'm eliminated tomorrow. I'd suggest reading up.

ughhhh mastina's arguments are complete garbage but deadline is close enough that it's not realistic to move the wagon

Thinking it over, here's where I am.

I'm not organically scum-reading Cakez. If I'm wrong on that and he flips scum, I'll accept my miselim tomorrow as the price of being wrong, as that would mean I shouldn't be left alive for ElLo. I'll ask for time to post any analysis/opinions, regarding partners or otherwise, I have based on his flip and to have everyone check in.

And I'll definitely stop worrying and learn to love the Rogue-flyby.

Oh, wait.

VOTE: Rogue

Your show, LLD. My vote will move as you need, but I'm not letting this day go by without putting my money where my mouth is.

So much ded.

VOTE: SirCakez

Seven hours, people.

and someone is gonna call this "distancing" but I'm about to flip green so whatever
Ivan's progression here doesn't make much sense at all and it should be pried into tomorrow

...this isn't progression; this is a super-apathetic playerlist where the best thing going is sheeping LLD because no one except Bombay has any stated interest in eliminating Rogue.

GTH (since you basically do have a GTH) what's your Rogue read?

[StrangeMatter]

Intent to Hammer

Will be back soon to hammer in give or take an hour. Looks like some discussion is still going on.

Please do give reads here.

[StrangeMatter]

And by give reads, I mean Cakez what are your reads?

[That Idiot Ivan]

Would appreciate giving LLD a chance to give her thoughts as promised as well.

[SirCakez]

GTH scum with Mastina; their apathy here is speaking volumes and that recent post where Mala fencesits on me just confirms it; like they already know I'm flipping town but don't want to rock the boat on my wagon

Is definitely town - LLD, Shiro, SM
Scum is in this pool if one of the above two is town - Ivan, Bombay, T3

[SirCakez]

T3 I think is just playing like crappy LHF this game actually
I would look at Bombay and Ivan closely

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Cakez flips scum I think Ivan has to die, followed by Rogue.

If Cakez flips town... Kill Rogue or Bombay.

I think Mastina might be scum but for the sake of my brain I'm not willing to go down that road. I think Shiro SM are lock town for me and I think Bombay is a problem that solves itself but here is the thing.

Bombay can easily be scum here. Once I am dead, most of the town has ignored them. Go back and read them no mattre what the flip is bit if Cakez is scum they are much less likely to be scum IMO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GTH scum with Mastina; their apathy here is speaking volumes and that recent post where Mala fencesits on me just confirms it; like they already know I'm flipping town but don't want to rock the boat on my wagon

Is definitely town - LLD, Shiro, SM
Scum is in this pool if one of the above two is town - Ivan, Bombay, T3

Ughhh

I cant tell if this is scum mirroring town for paranoia before they flip or town being town.

But at this point it can be either so I can't really pick. Like Cakez is on death door so saying this could be wifom

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IMO t3 is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Never kill t3. Never. If we lose to that we lose to that and it's my fault I accept that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like I gotta stick to my guns and if I am wrong and on and off game hopefully y'all can course correct once I am dead.

[That Idiot Ivan]

If you have time, summary of your mastina read?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lock town: Shiro SM T3

In the pool: Ivan, Mastina, Bombay, Rogue

If Cakez is town remove Ivan for tomorrow and shoot in Mastina Bombay Rogue.

If Cakez is scum shoot Ivan

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you have time, summary of your mastina read?

Requires a LOT of things to go wrong for them to be scum given Loyal. Not impossible but not worth risking. Even tomorrow I thibk shooting Rogue or Bombay is better than shooting Mastina if Cakez is town.

If Cakez is scum, after you die... See who is alive.

Mastina reads like townish to me but there are posts that make me go "scum" and I scumread her from day 2 onward so....

Idk

I'm the most mixed on that read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate that I might be wrong here. I haven't been this uncertain of a kill in a long time.

But this is what makes sense to me. This is what makes the pieces of the puzzle fit in my brain.

I have to try and revive this game for once I am dead.

[SirCakez]

If I were scum here I'd be trolling not actually trying to leave stuff for you guys after I die

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You aren't actually dead though yet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe you would troll if ACTUALLY dead but