CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Bell]

Okay so.
I actually didn’t mean to quick hammer there.
Bad play in my part though the result would’ve been the same, still bad.
Bell bad.

VOTE: Ceprir

Gunna go work now.
Decided cephrir is just in that sweet spot where he’s just kind of skating by and I think only scum him wants to be there.

[Dunnstral]

right im caught scum for thinking that eating RBs or getting a confirmed town is more positive EV than lynching my slight scum read

i member

Reminder that "lynch" is no longer an acceptable term for mafia.

[catboi]

My general thesis for today is that bussing works because people are afraid to punish it. In a large game, day 1 wagons on scum are always filthy. The likeliest places for scum are people who were either unnaturally confident in Ircher flipping scum or people who resisted the wagon early but hopped on late.

[The Three Bears]

Why does the VC say anything about Dunn

Arcade Pals is Dunn. Their counterwagon to Ircher would reveal a bit more about the gamestate.

The VCA is odd. Why would scum go to such lengths to save a Strongman and not use it?

~Mama

Oh you said "info" not scum

I'm not going to infoyeet dunn even if he's in my POE


Scum were likely looking to use the janitor, not the strongman. strongman kill is only useful if there's a consensus protection target

Fair position but disagree. Janitor, without information, doesn't hide much useful. However, that's a strategic debate and can make a bit of sense.

~Mama

[Bell]

Doesn’t that mean mush is scum.

[Bell]

Focus Bell.

Kill cephir.

[Dunnstral]

The likeliest places for scum are people who were either unnaturally confident in Ircher flipping scum

I agree with this

I still think there wasn't a very strong reason to be pushing Ircher on day 1, but IIRC people were acting like it was obvious and I didn't want to vote that

That's also why I think it's unfair for you to say my hydra had "bad" posts towards Ircher, I assume you're talking about the post where we say there wasn't a good reason to vote Ircher and instead voted Roden?

[Dunnstral]

Fair position but disagree. Janitor, without information, doesn't hide much useful. However, that's a strategic debate and can make a bit of sense.

How can you disagree when the night 1 kill didn't happen?

[The Three Bears]

What info would my elimination reveal based on the vca you quoted?

The general mindset of why your wagon deteriorated. If scum were sheeping or scrambling, that suggests two different mindsets and two different teams? If I had more time, I'd stare at it deeper.

~Mama

[tictac]

right im caught scum for thinking that eating RBs or getting a confirmed town is more positive EV than lynching my slight scum read

i member

Reminder that "lynch" is no longer an acceptable term for mafia.

my bad.
"yeetbait" then

[The Three Bears]

Fair position but disagree. Janitor, without information, doesn't hide much useful. However, that's a strategic debate and can make a bit of sense.

How can you disagree when the night 1 kill didn't happen?

I'm disagreeing with the opinion part of why save Ircher and the value of the janitor but clearly the scum didn't use the strongman sooo

[The Three Bears]

Dunn/catboi, Thoughts on Toog?

Gtg

~Mama

[catboi]

The likeliest places for scum are people who were either unnaturally confident in Ircher flipping scum

I agree with this

I still think there wasn't a very strong reason to be pushing Ircher on day 1, but IIRC people were acting like it was obvious and I didn't want to vote that

That's also why I think it's unfair for you to say my hydra had "bad" posts towards Ircher, I assume you're talking about the post where we say there wasn't a good reason to vote Ircher and instead voted Roden?

Yeah it was that post

in a sense I realize that comes across as me working both sides w/r/t to Ircher but I have to consider multiple angles and it felt like a post Maria might make about a scumbuddy, shrug

focus right now would be moreso on like mastina/norwee/roden though

[catboi]

Dunn/catboi, Thoughts on Toog?

Gtg

~Mama

I very slightly think him barely even trying is closer to town meta but not solid on it

[Dunnstral]

Dunn/catboi, Thoughts on Toog?

Gtg

~Mama

I don't have a strong opinion but leaning town based just off of tone and feelings

[The Three Bears]

Mush you get permission to side-eye bears when I flip. You'll know why.

Also toog, if he doesn't then you might have to worry there too.

Actually, I think this means that Tet checked bears night 1 and they had suspicious flavor.

VOTE: The Three Bears

Claim flavor please

Meet you at the track, then maybe

I know what I claimed, and flavour cop doesn't reveal alignments.
Flavour isn't breaking.

-Pinkie the running bear

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Doesn’t that mean mush is scum.

if any1 wants 2 push my wagon i will 1v1 anybody

mostly cuz i dont think any townie thinks im scum atm LOL



anyway yeai agree w bell n also both our nked townies so far were killed shortly after thinkin ceph scum out loud

n tbh i think it was only tet over me cuz curse ate shit n scum thinks they can swing that 2 miselim LOL

so yea i wanna push ceph i jus was squeezin dunn cuz wtf stop reachin. but bears doin it now too. feels like curse did it n now its fashionable LOL fuck it VOTE: cephrir

[The Three Bears]

dunn i think its kinda useless? n baseless spec??? tet was dying no matter what cuz townie as fuck n not as much a hot mess as us. n like yea maybe guiltied ircher -- IRCHER DIED what do u hope 2 get from that info it does nothin today LOL

If we consider that their role is similar to a regular cop, then they likely had a guilty or an innocent on night 1. That isn't useless, that is information that is worth looking into, and I'm not sure why you are brushing it aside. If it was Ircher, we don't have any new information. If it was Bears, they are probably scum.

Or do you think that flavor is still not important?

Au contraire, Tet didn't really shove us. Tet seems to have the same level of awareness of the game as we do so either Tet didn't check us, or Tet doesn't believe our flavour is spicy.

-Pinkie The Bear

[The Three Bears]

Mush you get permission to side-eye bears when I flip. You'll know why.

Also toog, if he doesn't then you might have to worry there too.

This is as good a sus as we get from Tet.
We've been checked I reckon, but I reckon they thought we're green. There's no pushes at all beyond this but rather a subtle insistence we're town.

-Pinkie the Investibear

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why does the VC say anything about Dunn

literally tho. like. this is fuckin noise LOL

It’s just Titus logic.

[The Three Bears]

I quoted a post that can be interpreted as a soft while doing a basic post-flip check of the dead power role and you started throwing all caps at me and accusing me of orchestrating some kind of push instead of assuming that I'm just solving normally. Like, I'm not dead set on the theory that Bears was the target, or that the role works like I thought it did, I don't see how naked voting people at the start of

day 4

without explanation is somehow morally superior to what I'm doing. You're the one that needs to "chill" right now.

Mush you get permission to side-eye bears when I flip. You'll know why.

Also toog, if he doesn't then you might have to worry there too.

Actually, I think this means that Tet checked bears night 1 and they had suspicious flavor.

VOTE: The Three Bears

Claim flavor please

Also your insistence that flavor is irrelevant is weird. It's like the third time you brought it up. If you want to claim something just claim it.

This was @ bears

"Permission to side-eye bears when I flip"

Dunn... are you OK?
There's a side-eye, then there's a shove, and theres

*vauge hand gestures*

whatever this is you're attempting. Which is btw saying that side-eyeing us is a soft red when Tet's been TL'ing us pretty much all game.
Thinking about it I'm thinking tet didn't even check us at all. Just wanting to know my position on flavour and any potential speedbumps cause of my rather loud declarations.

-Pinkie the magic hand waving gesture bear

[MUSHSHAGANA]

im so fuckin glad some 1 who is like fuckin eloquent can show how this is fuckin REEEEEAAAAACHING

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think it's ceph

[MUSHSHAGANA]

after ur d1 showing u have become completely lost 2 me std. like can u explain ur shit cuz. i am not townreading u. i cannot see how town gets where u are at. ur totally in some other fuckin universe. we agree on like nothing.

n like. u sayin "i dont think its ceph" my brain goes "YEA OFC NOT. ur fuckin scum". but like, my scumread of u is mostly just that ur shit is so wildly off in the fuckin weeds that it feels like u makin shit up. like v v strongly feelin what lld said abt u.

so heres ur chance. u can explain ur fuckin read of the game state. i will believe u believe w/e u say for as long s i can take it.

[Save The Dragons]

maybe after some coffee