open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Kaiji]

My prevailing thought regarding no kill is that Enchant, if scum, just claims a guilty on a town, the scumteam kill whatever town is most likely to see through the deception, and they just need to convince whatever other towns are left that they're right and they're simply home free

that person is likely to be me lol

but regardless the cop is ~ascetic~ so if both mare and andante visit them - they become clear.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

my apologies if i said something that felt shutting down - i am autistic and miss cues and directly telling me does help me recalibrate and realize what im doing (which is what im doing now)

I do believe this, I'll back off

[Kaiji]

idk if that mech clearing method was part of your thought process there so lmk if it does change things there for you.
we're also checking enchant here too.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

if the slot that dies is one of Mare/Andante, then we have to determine whether the other has a genuine action or if they're scumpartners

[Kaiji]

I think its a net gain for town if one of those 2 dies but thats just me haha

[Kaiji]

we also get a 2nd no lim after that

[Kaiji]

granted there's no n3 vig - in which case we could be a bit fucked but i'd say its a bit safer bc scum are still forced to shoot into the PoE/at andante who theyd never shoot otherwise.

[Andante]

so if we no lim, and there's a n3 vig, don't mare and I die? so just yeet enchant now. really not hard

[Kaiji]

why do you townread mare

[Kaiji]

your concern about a n3 vig is extremely fake because you are unconcerned about being wrong on enchant.

[Kaiji]

oh how the cookie crumbles.

[Andante]

im not wrong on enchant? idk where the confusion is Enchan was literally claiming maf earlier too

[skitter30]

if the slot that dies is one of Mare/Andante, then we have to determine whether the other has a genuine action or if they're scumpartners

for the sake of talking this out, assuming no n3 vig

- andante dies

-- mare claims a hood with enchant. either exactly mare/dats/enchant, or enchant's going to claim they didn't get hooded, so we have another 1v1 here

-- mare claims no hood with enchant. either mare/enchant + someone, or enchant is town

- mare dies

-- andante claims no result. andante/enchant have to be aligned (either tvt or svs)

-- andante claims no visit - 1v1 here

i think this is right, no?

honestly enchant doesn't feel like a cop with a guilty on catboi, he's not being urgent enuf about flipping catboi / getting more results, he's more banking on the fear of lost results to not kill him if that makes sense

[Kaiji]

did you really put enchant and urgent in the same sentence

[Something_Smart]

i think this is right, no?

Seems right to me.

Andante has a point that if scum have the vig they could just kill her and Mare, although I don't feel that would necessarily be the

worst

outcome? I would be more scared of one of them being scum and surviving honestly.

[skitter30]

i mean if he's a cop with a guilty why isn't his focus flipping the guilty

[Kaiji]

i mean its just a disagreement in a mafia school of thought in that putting catboi in an awkward situation where he has to either tell on himself or shoot their guiltyer and lose the mislim


like enchant knows enough to know they are getting flipped over catboi here


if we dont wanna no lim we should flip guilty > cop here esp with how catboi has been this dayphase


catboi has been about as active as mena has been this dayphase like cmon

[skitter30]

true but then we're in obvious elo with:

- enchant/catboi in a 1v1
- enchant looking scummier by the minute
- 2 scum in {you, alyssa, kaiji, dats} and i probably can find at least one scum here, i hope >.>

pedit @ss

[Kaiji]

there's more baitlims in this game than there are available misflips so i'm not super enthused by that strategy
tbh your slot is one of them too ...

yah, I was kind of half figuring that my flip might be one of the ones that would prompt re-eval

re: voting on catboi/cakez. skitt I was barely making it to thread last week, I didn't know the exact wagons. I'm only here now because no students turned up during my last 1.5hrs and so I can be here for a bit while avoiding lesson planning

would you be interested in doing catboi now ?

this is consistent with someone who would check catboi tbh

[Kaiji]

and also appealing to their inno

[Kaiji]

i think people are just lazy and want to not go outside of comfort zone to read enchant properly shrug

[Kaiji]

easier to just always call him scum because of their playstyle than actually find what is sortable with him.

[skitter30]

fwiw that post is what i was reading as the one post in his iso that is semi-indicative of him having an inno on me

[Kaiji]

neighborizer better role than ascetic cop amirite :3

[Kaiji]

very weird thing said in the context it was said in