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[geraintm]

so, only one person on both wagons - yeezys
who is on all 3 wagons (because somehow this game is in day 3 and we have had only 3 wagons so far! Day 1 ended early which i am all for but was still a surprise - but yesterday ending with a self hammer from a townie is unforgivable)

i want to go and look at yeezys posts
and hella jeff
it feels like there should be scum in there somewhere

i have no idea what Ahri is on about btw or how they are playing this game. had anyone had experience with them before? are they capable of going full Joker as scum and buring the place down?

[Nero Cain]

I don't have a big issue with the self hammer yesterday. I mean yeah, the general stance is that its anti-town to self vote/hammer but but killing yourself when you are heavily suspected and moving the game along isn't that bad of a move I think.

[Nero Cain]

i am giving this a few naughty points

and would be focussing on this

if we havent got to sort out scorpious/ahri

call me old fashioned, i just generally think if you have a belief strong enough to vote for someone you should probably stick with it until you have areason to not.

I literally have no words.
You come out with you have a guilty on someone, and I believe you (because I always believe claims - go and check my past games if you don't accept that) and now people are scum reading me because I followed you?
Like....what are people meant to do with the info you were peddling?
UNVOTE:

So what is your reasoning for not voting me either yesterday or today?

[Nero Cain]

i have no idea what Ahri is on about btw or how they are playing this game.

I've played alot of games with fairly new players that role masons and it does nothing much but increase their hubris while harming town. I mean obviously, if scorp is scum and Arhi or someone in her masonry has a correct read then it's great...I've just been in so many games where the masons play absolutely horrible in the games and I just wanted to rant a little bit.

Clearly, a town Arhi just really thinks Scorp is scum but if Arhi were scum then its so she doesn't have to flail out a little and fake hunt beyond one person. She can just tunnel on Scorp and she doesn't have to do anything else.

[Enchant]

What i miss

[Nero Cain]

It's 20 pages...

[Enchant]

Yeah i didn't read them, so what

[Nero Cain]

Why not ask your scum buddies to catch you up?

[Enchant]

I asked, they lurking.

[geraintm]

i am giving this a few naughty points

and would be focussing on this

if we havent got to sort out scorpious/ahri

call me old fashioned, i just generally think if you have a belief strong enough to vote for someone you should probably stick with it until you have areason to not.

I literally have no words.
You come out with you have a guilty on someone, and I believe you (because I always believe claims - go and check my past games if you don't accept that) and now people are scum reading me because I followed you?
Like....what are people meant to do with the info you were peddling?
UNVOTE:

So what is your reasoning for not voting me either yesterday or today?

oh yesterday it was because i got hung up on the ahri guilty claim. beause, like, as i've said, i tend to focus on those things when someone makes that sort of claim.
today, ive finally got around to looking at past votes so i did that

[Nero Cain]

I get that although some of the things that Arhi actually said makes it pretty obvious that it wasn't a guilty and its that you believed it to begin with but the point was that once she came out and said it wasn't a guilty you took the time to unvote but didn't vote me. IDK, maybe it's a dumb thing that I'm pushing but it seems like from your own words that you would have voted me.

[geraintm]

I get that although some of the things that Arhi actually said makes it pretty obvious that it wasn't a guilty and its that you believed it to begin with but the point was that once she came out and said it wasn't a guilty you took the time to unvote but didn't vote me. IDK, maybe it's a dumb thing that I'm pushing but it seems like from your own words that you would have voted me.

it was obvious in hindsight but wasn;t when i placed the vote and if i remember correctly, i think i was waiting for them to come back with what they had.

the unvote post i think was me 100% fixated on venting at Ahri, i was so mad. i didnt think about where to move my vote to, i just needed to shout at them.

[Nero Cain]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

[Enchant]

BWHHAHAHAHAHA

[Nero Cain]

4 more votes till a scum flip

[Enchant]

AHAHAHAHAHHAA.

[butterchurn]

Alright, I think I gave yeezys too much of a pass. I townread Andante for her Day 1 feeling like a natural thought process, and because it seemed like too obvious of a move to go for the early hammer like that. That townread has mostly carried over to yeezys' slot, and there were more pressing things to care about. But in my previous game onsite (which is over now, so I can talk about it -- we won, yay), I was nearly fooled by scum going for an obviously scummy-looking hammer and me thinking "there's no way scum would go for that, it's too obvious", and I was also consistently distracted by the higher volume posters and didn't give enough thought to the lurkers. With that in mind, I gave the yeezys/Andante slot another look over.

Not gonna focus too much on Andante since she isn't here to defend herself, but I did read over a few of her past games and see that she is extremely capable of replicating that natural thought process stream of consciousness feel when she's scum. Her tone in scum games doesn't feel particularly artificial to me, so I may have made a mistake in judging her alignment here based on tone. I did also agree with her on the dwlee/quiet owl thing, but I think the logic she had could come from either alignment.

yeezys only has 8 posts since joining, so there's not much to look at. They were the 2nd highest postcount in their only other game onsite (as town), despite getting killed Night 2 in a 4-Day game, so a much lurkier game here is interesting. Not scum-indicative on its own since they don't have any scumgames onsite to compare to, but it's a noticeable change from their town game. Their posts consist of:

• - 3 catchup posts after replacing in, listing a few reads. Me town, geriant town (later revised to null), looking (greeting, I assume) scummy, scorpious weird vibes, andante towny (lol), hella jeff null.
  - In 360, says they're bad at scumhunting, then says fua's scumteam (Scorp/Butter/Dwlee from 323) looks legit. I questioned on this at the time, since fua's reasoning for the team seemed extremely flimsy (especially because I thought she was scum, but either way). I didn't get a response. Which, fine, whatever. But this post is relevant later.
  - 387, 388, and 390. Votes scorpious and says it would be funny if they were scum, and then says that ahri's claim was potentially true so people should vote scorpious. Then (presumably jokingly, since they say nevermind after) calls for a massclaim. I have a hard time telling if they actually think scorpious is scum here, although it seems like they do. Also, not particularly significant, but I'll note that Andante voted scorpious right before replacing out, so the slot was already voting scorpious at this point.
  - 451 puts fua at E-1 because it would "give us the most information". Prior to this, as best I can judge, they seemed to be solidly on the fua side of the fua vs scorpious debate, considering like 80% of their content so far was agreeing with fua's scumteam and then voting for scorpious. At the time, I didn't mind the switch, since I thought they were right to do so. But looking back now, there was exactly ONE fua post between 390 and 451 (415). I don't see how yeezys' mind could have been changed so quickly, and I don't see why as town they would put someone they're not suspicious of at E-1 when there were still at least 4 days left to deadline. This just looks like scum trying to push in the current wagon, while saying that they're doing it "for information", so the next Day they can easily say "oh hey, I was right, looks like scorpious must be scum after all".

Conclusion: lurky, following whatever the current trend is, and an extremely opportunistic vote on fua which goes counter to any of their previous reads. At the very least, I would like to see more content, reasoning, and thought process from them. But I think most likely they're just scum who thought they could get away with a cheap vote.

VOTE: yeezys

[butterchurn]

I also don't want to forget about geraintm. YesterDay I was thinking it was likely that fua and geraint were scum together. With fua flipped town, that obviously wasn't the case, but my suspicion of geraint hasn't gone away that much, as I don't think they were especially tied together. I don't really get much out of Nero Cain's argument that geraint should have voted for him yesterDay (he gave "naughty points" to several people without voting for them, and seems to do that regularly based on my reads of past games, and the unvote came in twilight so I wouldn't really expect him to vote again there), but I do agree that geraint's posts feel a little over-explainy at times and somewhat artificial. Keeping the vote on Greeting despite complaining about the wagon still seems suspicious to me, and I still find it hard to see the strong belief (and sticking to that belief) in ahri's "claim" as genuinely coming from town, since ahri seemed to be wink-wink-ing pretty hard that she wasn't being entirely honest, but fua did the same and they ended up flipping town, so I dunno, maybe I misjudged how clear ahri's intentions were to others (Nero Cain seems to agree with me, at least, so I'm not completely crazy).

geraintm's early posts toDay do feel like he is at least putting in an effort to find scum, though, and I actually think that re-assessing based on new information and looking at wagons is more of a town approach than it would be if he had just lazily carried over his previous suspicions and voted Nero Cain. I believe it was Galron that said that geraint is low hanging fruit early, and he'll sort himself out later. From looking at past games, it seems like he is generally hard to read and not particularly useful early in the game both as town and scum, and tends to do more later, so I guess that's what Galron was talking about. Willing to give that theory a chance, but still watching closely.

[DkKoba]

I will be away from the site until Sunday, Datisi will be taking over after the next votecount. If you have any issues, please message both him and I.

[DkKoba]

Votecount 3.1

Antonio Banderas - Diho feat. Josef Bratan

yeezys

(1): butterchurn

Scorpious

(1): Ahri

Enchant

(1): Nero Cain

Not Voting

(6): yeezys, Hella Jeff, geraintm, Scorpious, Quiet Owl, Enchant

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate


Day 3 deadline ends in (expired on 2022-02-04 00:00:51)

[Datisi]

this is a backup mod egopost, don't mind me.

[Scorpious]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

Fine with that. Not like I’ve been right about anything so far. Except Greeting

VOTE: Enchant

[Enchant]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

Fine with that. Not like I’ve been right about anything so far. Except Greeting

VOTE: Enchant

More scum jumping on me please?

[Hella Jeff]

yeah taht self vote killed a lot of my motivation tbh

i concur with butterchurn, namely their point abt 451
if a slot, across accounts has a history of slimy votes then i'm pretty damn sure they're open wolfing lol
VOTE: yeezys

[Hella Jeff]

enchant wagon ?
i liked capo