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[Almost50]

Btw, my keyboard is acting up, so if you see some 3's, 5's, 9's or misplaced text that looks like a jumble of words that need to be rearranged to form a sentence, you know what happened

[Frogsterking]

If I die tonight, yeet a50 into the sun.

What a scum line

[Almost50]

If I die tonight, yeet a50 into the sun.

Considering I'm practically freezing in here; the sun doesn't seem like a bad place to be heading

[Frogsterking]

@a50

Would you do anything special to adapt to having a player like Lap on your scum team?

Come again?

In a game like this, if you were scum with Lap would you just let him fend for himself and try to solo carry, or would you try to work with him in some way and survive longer as a team?

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.08

Laplacian (7):

Reformed Toxic Player, Andresvmb, Datisi, Aristeia, House, Frogsterking, Almost50

Almost50 (2):

VP Baltar, skitter30

innocentvillager (1):

OutWorldER

Frogsterking (1):

Laplacian

Datisi (1):

innocentvillager

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

With 13 alive, it took 7 to eliminate.

[catboi]

Laplacian

was eliminated Day 1.

He was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Mafia Goon

. XXXX is a

[REDACTED]

. ZZZZ is a

[REDACTED]

. You can chat with ZZZZ and XXXX anytime in this private topic.
You have one ability. You must tell the moderator which ability you are using each night (or tell the moderator when you choose not to use any of your abilities at all.)

Factional kill

- You cannot use this ability if another member of the mafia is using it. Target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die. The team may not decline to use this ability three nights in a row.

You win when there are no town aligned players alive. Please confirm by summarizing your role to the moderator.

[catboi]

It is now

Night 1

.

The deadline for Night 1 is

January 28

at

6:30 PM EST

. Submit night actions by PM, if applicable.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-01-28 19:30:00)

[catboi]

Reformed Toxic Player

died Night 1. They were a

Vanilla Townie.

Spoiler: Role PM

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no abilities.

You win when there are no mafia aligned players alive and there is at least one town aligned player still alive. Please confirm by summarizing your role to the moderator.

[catboi]

It is now Day 2.

Vote Count 2.00

Not Voting (11):

Andresvmb, Almost50, Aristeia, Datisi, Frogsterking, House, innocentvillager, OutWorldER, skitter30, Something_Smart, VP Baltar

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 2 is February 7 at 8:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-02-07 21:00:00)

[Datisi]

okay. first of all, i reread this game earlier today, and these were my findings from it. and i actually stayed up past 1 am just to post them at daystart.

my Feels on the game. i bolded stuff that i want answers to.

people i think are most likely Just Town - {andres, ari, frogs, house, iv, rtp}
people i have some reasons to think are town, but are nowhere near close off the table - {skitter, vp}
poe? - {a50, s_s, ower}

people i think are town:

i'm taking the iv+house mason claim at face value until proven otherwise. ok cool moving on.

rtp is town. i don't think they push lap this hard if they're partnered. like, what is the point. this would have to be setting up some massive big brain deepwolf plays, what for. don't think it's likely.

ari and andres are town for similar reasons - they sheeped people onto lap in a very non-towncred-grabbing way, at the times where they really did not have to do it. like, why does scum andres post ANY of 593, 602, 604 at the time rtp is voting his partner? he can just as easily NOT post those posts. it's adding fuel to the fire without much gain. similarly to that, ari sheeped me on lap without question and without ever trying to divert me from him.

not only has frogs shown immense wim that i don't think is easily fakeable for scum, i stand by my point that 182 feels like lap doesn't want to get on frogs's bad side. which would mean frogs town. also, if frogs and lap are buddies, that means that the whole thing was planned from the very beginning. and you're telling me frogs would plan to have this big shitfest with his buddy, only to start casing iv at the time where it was very obvious that lap is likely to go though, and where the odds of getting an iv wagon were objectively close to none? i *really* don't think so

as for my second tier:

i've noticed a few townie things from vp in my reread. 224 feels like a Decently Complex thought process, 274 comes at a time where scum!baltar doesn't have the motivation to post it - skitt, ari, and house are making non-game-related banter. why interrupt it? then, his early-game push on frogs. at first i didn't like it, because it felt like trying to push a townie that's playing weirdly but not necessarily scummy. however, 339 and 353 don't give that impression - it feels like he's trying to actually sort frogs, there's no "he's scum" undertone.

that said, i would like a better elaboration on 1167 - in retrospect, it feels very much like a non-answer.

and also i kind of dislike the "if i die, yeet a50" like dude do you really think you're dying? really?

really

???

as for skitter - i kind of stand by my 1173. skitter was decently around during the day, and it didn't feel like she was either trying to save lap or that she was trying to look good on his flip. also, the 520-521 sequence made me feel better better about both of skitt and vp - that's the same feeling i got about vp when i read 520.

though, i would like skitter to tell me why she was scumleaning vp around 422.

is it just him having "Strong Opinions on the survey"?

the poe:

i don't think i have to say much about a50, but. i did notice around 750 that both a50 and lap were present and posting, they were the top wagons, and yet neither voted the other, or even SAID anything about the other. strong basis for the iconeum tell - two people who are both top wagons ignoring one another are likely s/s.

s_s is... meh. i don't think i actually have a solid read on anything he's done. the only thing that stuck out to me was 767, where s_s said that he didn't find the lap case convincing, but that he'd be his first choice for a vote. he never indicated having any kind of read on lap, and he never answered why when asked.

s_s, why was lap your first choice of vote here?

outworld is. hmm. like, i thought this slot was gonna end up in the mid tier for me, but the more i kept reading, the less i liked his interactions with lap. as soon as i call lap out, there's 220, where he's saying how he really thinks lap is town. but once lap is on the table, there's 880 where he's suddenly bad at reading newbies. also, 675 is eyebrow-raising in hindsight because it feels like outworld knows he has no way to actually defend lap, but wants to not give any more fuel to that wagon.

I already said that

if RTP is scum I don't think they push Lapla this hard regardless of Lapla's alignment.

When I say aggression I guess I'd expect them to be pocketing harder, prodding people a bit more, things unrelated to pushing wagons because

RTP is always aggressive when pushing wagons regardless of their alignment.

what does this mean? the two bolded lines feel like a contradiction.

what do we do now?

i want to flip a50. if he's scum, i think both vp and skitter are town. *especially* vp - posts like 457 and 491 feel like lowkey clearing if a50's red. when a buddy is being suspected (a50 was being suspected) but no vote are on them yet... you don't stick the first vote on!! that's a recipe for disaster!! yet vp does? i really don't think he does that, especially if lap was already under fire.

i think a50's partner would be either s_s or outworld, and realistically more likely outworld. like, the vc on 617 - i think it's somewhat likely there's scum pushing iv here.

if a50's to flip green... i think that means there's scum in vp/skitt. they were both pushing a50, and i *really* don't think the a50 wagon in 617 and 750 is pure.

and, if vp is red, my personal guess for the third is s_s. 772 is asking s_s why he wants to vote lap. s_s does not respond, vp does not ask again. less than three hours later, they're lolchatting (789, 790, 793). and vp is talking about investigating s_s's meta. you forgot you already asked him something to get him sorted?

[Datisi]

that being said. seeing that flip is making me *heavily* consider if we should skip step 2, go immediately to step 3, and vote vp.

i'll see what the situation is tomorrow.

[House]

Okay, so..

I retract the Masons claim.

I claimed that in the hopes that either I or iv would be targeted last night, and to keep a townread from being wagoned my

iv playing along reads to me as town. Scum would likely suspect a trap.

That RTP died over either of us, however, is disconcerting.

VOTE: VP

[House]

Scum would likely suspect a trap.

... or fear the blowback once the claim was retracted.

[Aristeia]

I am highly tempted to just brainsoff deadsheep RTP

[Something_Smart]

s_s, why was lap your first choice of vote here?

Sheeping Koba

[Aristeia]

How did you do on your interview/exams Datisi?

[House]

Intent to hammer laplacian. Claim.

No one cares what they claim rofl

You of all people would understand this if you were town

[Something_Smart]

s_s, why was lap your first choice of vote here?

Sheeping Koba

Fwiw I saw this question, then forgot to respond to it, then deliberately ignored it once I remembered because I didn't think the answer would be helpful.

[Something_Smart]

(this question = VP's)

[Almost50]

OK.. this is as dirty as it gets. This is a trick I learned from mastina: I have now chanbged my online status choice om the control panel, so you could all verify when I was last online. I did NOT check in during the night. I was NOT online, so could not have talked to my "scum partners". We all know we it could have been done using Discord for example, but that's the best I can offer you for now.

Second: It's damn strange we only had ONE death overnight. I was a "Town N1 Backup Vig". I guess I'm officially just a named Townie anyway now, so no harm in me claiming in full.

Third: In response to this

@a50

Would you do anything special to adapt to having a player like Lap on your scum team?

Come again?

In a game like this, if you were scum with Lap would you just let him fend for himself and try to solo carry, or would you try to work with him in some way and survive longer as a team?

It depends on many factors how I would act in this situation. How well I know the player (I don't know Laplacian at all), how well we gel together, how active they are on the scum PT, who our third partner is, as well as what roles we all have.

Finally; I would still sheep Koba's reads too. Usually when we both have similar/overlapping reads we have it nailed.

My current reads are:

Almost50
Andresvmb
Frogsterking
Datisi
Something Smart
House

OutWorldER/Aristeia

skitter30/innocentvillager

VP Baltar

House is now a TR NOT because of the "false Mason claim" but because of the retraction at the start of the day. I don't think Scum him had any reason to retract here. EVEN a PT Cop/Traffic Analyzer would have confirmed his claim all the same. (or am I missing something?)

P.S. My TRs are not ordered in any particular way. OutWorldER/Aristeia represent the null line. I would flip any of VP/skitter/IV today with pleasure.

[catboi]

Please hold.

[catboi]

Almost50 is being force-replaced. The game thread re-opens.

[House]

Dammit, I forgot what I wanted to post.

[VP Baltar]

if a50's to flip green... i think that means there's scum in vp/skitt. they were both pushing a50, and i *really* don't think the a50 wagon in 617 and 750 is pure.

Half considering if you might be scum for this, dats.

[VP Baltar]

That RTP died over either of us, however, is disconcerting.

I agree with this. Why do you think that was House?