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[The Bombay]

Well the town has made it to the thread; I wonder when the scum team is going to show up?

[Shiro]

Did you fullclaim to Suripoko, Shiro?

nope, only my hiding powers.

[That Idiot Ivan]

...so just the important stuff. Alrighty then.

[The Bombay]

I have thoughts, but I am kind of in a holding pattern until Mastina let's us know if her ability worked or not. That seems like it would be important.

[Shiro]

...so just the important stuff. Alrighty then.

i mean the other part is important as well imo

[mastina]

Nope that’s not how my ability works. I protected Shiro hoping they would be NKed but as it turns out my ideas are terrible.

You...didn't know Shiro's claim?

That's rough.

Also, I have a clarifying question for Mastina. Is your ability still loyal? Did it work?

Sadly not loyal--Shiro actually made me disloyal last night (which isn't as good imo because loyal would've allowed me to unlock my crier ability and IC'd me while also conftowning my target; disloyal can potentially give a guilty but is far more likely to fail).

I can double-check with the mods to see if I have a way of knowing if my crier has been unlocked, but I was not told it was unlocked or anything; I'm not sure if I can get that info. (It'll obviously help a lot if I can get the info but if I can't...)

Still tho, I figured that IF I did succeed with a disloyal, the scum I succeeded on might not claim it, so I was trying to aim for a player that you might be watching, so I targeted StrangeMatter last night. (Basically, you shouldn't see me if I failed, but you should see me if I succeeded. But I didn't know who you'd be targeting, so I had to take an educated guess on who to target.)

As for scum, technically speaking, we have:
1-2 in {T3, Rogue} (we

know

that scum

must

have bussed, so there's a

requirement

for one scum minimum there);
0-1 in {Bombay, Ivan}.

Technically speaking.

Bombay is not scum with T3 (this should go without saying because it's pretty damn obvious).

And while it's

possible

Ivan's scum, with SirCakez not as scum I actually think that Ivan's town.

So the scum should be {T3, Rogue} or {Bombay, Rogue}, probably the former. (The latter would be more trusting in LLD's reads, but the former is what my personal read is.)

It should be noted that while Rogue is probably scum regardless, Rogue cannot be the poisoner due to having been blocked yesterday, unless poison can bypass a direct roleblock. So the poisoner should be whichever the scum is in {T3, Bombay}.

Not voting yet tho obv since with StrangeMatter's claim to have been poisoned, that'd make this a weird form of mylo.

[Shiro]

Rogue is probably the correct play to elim today

[That Idiot Ivan]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but no eliminating Rogue on autopilot. Literally everyone is or has advocated that now, which means there's bussing, and we need to sort out second scum. Very important, like second breakfast. We're best served by doing that now while we're guaranteed to have two all-but-conftown folks around to participate.

Also, sorry, SM, but you did know that Shiro is a hider--I checked the post history in our N2-D3 neighborhood notes I kept (most unwieldy notes PT ever) and I told you. Probably got lost in the shuffle. (yes, everyone loses access to our Friends neighborhoods when they close, annoying as fuck, but I have warned everyone involved)

mastina, while I'm waiting for a particular neighbor to read my latest post, can you explain how unlocking a crier ability makes you IC yourself? And why you didn't target a scum read? Since my understanding is landing a message would be the third to unlock crier status, and the act of unlocking it would confirm to you and ultimately the game if the message went through?

[That Idiot Ivan]

SM, same flavor as LLD for the poison?

[Rogue]

Well well. I got poisoned and I think we’re in a potential type of ELO. Stuck on a phone but I have been officially struck by the poison.

Scum has been only poisoning at this point.

Idk how you got poisoned when we got poisoned.

However, I did target you for the doc protection.

Anyways bed time for me. Just got off work and shoveled my car into the driveway and work again later tonight

Audios

[That Idiot Ivan]

Shiro, independent of mechanical considerations, what's your read on mastina between the game thread posts and your neighborhood postings? Specifics are good if you have them. I'd normally try to do a reread of her ISO to reset my read, but I don't trust my objectivity there right now.

[StrangeMatter]

Same poison, it's COVID.

Also I forgot over the night period that Shiro was hider and now I'm even more upset.

[The Bombay]

Still tho, I figured that IF I did succeed with a disloyal, the scum I succeeded on might not claim it, so I was trying to aim for a player that you might be watching, so I targeted StrangeMatter last night.

You were disloyal, and you chose StrangeMatter...

No one would have know you were disloyal, why not try and trick a scum player?

"I don't know if I am still loyal, I'll have to ask Shiro in the thread tomorrow. Please respond"

Get response, get guilty.

Strange was so obviously town.

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The implication that both Rogue and Mastina are claiming to have visited Strange, when we know scum targeted them, and I have not revealed who I watched is not being missed by me.

[The Bombay]

And also, both Mastina and Rogue claimed to have visited LLD on the night she was poisoned.

[Shiro]

Mastina is town don't even try to muddy that.

[The Bombay]

My solve is Rogue+T3, but Ivan has been impressing the need to consider Mastina as well.

Shiro and Strange are always town here.

My time in the hood overnight has convinced me that Ivan is town. I walked in suspicious of him, but not anymore.

Mastina seems mech town, but Ivan is considering Mastina used a strongman to both message LLD and Poison her at the same time. Mastina then also targeting the second poison target gives more credence to that then I originally wanted to give.

But my solve is currently T3+Rogue.

[The Bombay]

Over night, Ivan made a discovery about T3.

r/chessporn
strong willed doc, i'm now permanently roleblocked because dwlee is dead :/

This is a lie.

Because Dwlee has flipped, we can ask the mods questions about his role. If you ask the mods what would happen if Dwlee's adversary died, you will be informed that once his adversary dies, Dwlee would then "win" every day by default since his opponent failed to show up to the competition, and his cop ability would be on permanently.

So, if T3 is town, that would mean that his doctor ability was active every night since night 2.

T3 why were you so resistant to claiming? And why didn't you stick up for Dwlee?

i was reticent because i wanted to soft pr and all that so i could get niked

He was trying to draw the night kill... as a doctor? I call bs on this.

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Once Ivan outed this information (and I also asked the mods to confirm), T3 said that he was a doctor all along. He claimed to have targetted LLD night 2 and me night 3. I made the mistake of telling Ivan who I watched before T3 claimed his target.

I have issue with T3 supposedly protecting LLD. Mainly that when Strange claimed that them roleblocking Rogue was a guilty, they did not approach the topic in a way that indicated that they thought that they stopped the night kill. I will admit that this line of logic is shaky given T3's professed confusion on how it was a guilty and professed belief that jjh was night killed. But at no point between the announcement that strange roleblocked and the announcement that LLD was poisoned does T3 seem to ever realize that he might have been the reason for the lack of a night kill. This is frustrating because T3 just has not been posting.

However, here is a timeline.
-Strange announced the guilty on Rogue in 1266. T3 was on, and noticed the guilty 1295, but seemed confused on the night kill in 1296.
-Strange corrects T3 immediately in 1297 and 1298. T3 returns to the thread with 1345, indicating that he has read

some

of the game since, but still has not seem to put together that he could be the person who stopped the kill.
-LLD then announces that they are poisoned with 1362.

LLD was the obvious night kill that day, T3 claims to have targetted her, but he says nothing about this supposed guilty on Rogue.

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I think that T3 is scum and has been planning to claim that he was roleblocked because of Dwlee's death. That is why he could not say anything about the guilty on Rogue, and that is why he said he was trying to draw the night kill.

This makes more sense to me then a town T3 not putting together that he might be causing a false guilty and apparently trying to get night killed while being a doctor.

[The Bombay]

After Ivan and I talked about this in the hood, Ivan has proposed the theory that what T3 won from the chess game was the unstoppable poison kill.

That would line up with the timeline that T3's ability was not active Night 1 because Dwlee won, and a normal night kill happened that night. But that the scum team has used the poison kill both nights since.

[That Idiot Ivan]

Mastina is town don't even try to muddy that.

What was the discussion like leading up to the SM target choice? What was her reaction to the Cakez flip in your neighborhood?

[StrangeMatter]

Well well. I got poisoned and I think we’re in a potential type of ELO. Stuck on a phone but I have been officially struck by the poison.

Scum has been only poisoning at this point.

Idk how you got poisoned when we got poisoned.

However, I did target you for the doc protection.

Anyways bed time for me. Just got off work and shoveled my car into the driveway and work again later tonight

Audios

Wait, that makes 2 poisons...wtf?

[That Idiot Ivan]

I mean, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you too. Got your checkbook on you?

[StrangeMatter]

There's only one way this can be 2 poisons in one night. And that's if there was both a NK and a poison and they tried to NK me last night and then poison you.

But then I also am considering...what would the point of poisoning !town Rogue here? It doesn't make quite sense to cripple what to multiple people is a player that is considered scum and essentially confirm them.

[StrangeMatter]

I mean why poison and give town a reason to look elsewhere and just have them die anyways?

[morph the cat]

nyah

[morph the cat]

nya