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[Frogsterking]

Laplacian

(7):

Reformed Toxic Player

, Andresvmb,

Datisi

, Aristeia,

House

,

Frogsterking

,

Almost50

Almost50

(2):

VP Baltar,

skitter30

innocentvillager

(1): OutWorldER

Frogsterking

(1):

Laplacian

Datisi

(1):

innocentvillager

Not Voting (1): Something_Smart

lap was afraid of frogs scumreading him for his vote. and the interactions otherwise make no sense as s/s - what scum makes a huge fucking case, the partner says they're gonna respond to it but then don't (shows fear of further townspewing frogs), and then frogs changes course last-minute to push iv? makes no sense, unless frogs is the most big brain big balls scum here. and odds are he's not.

.

in a world where VP is taken at their word. Which has an expiration date for me without a night flip.
wagonomics indicates 1 on a50, 1 in the little wagons (including nl) and 1 in the buss.
Ari WERE u the busser???

nope!

something like this?

I don't think OWER kills RTP when RTP was hard defending OWER yesterday

well running out of options.

i dont see lap voting me with scum!andre already there, if u look at the earlier VC. i thought newbscum were paranoid about distancing.

[Frogsterking]

seems most likely VP is lying.

[Datisi]

i dont see lap voting me with scum!andre already there, if u look at the earlier VC. i thought newbscum were paranoid about distancing.

for what it's worth, out of reasons to consider andres town, this doesn't feel like an actually good one, i don't think the fact andres was memevoting you would make lap not want to vote there if they're partnered

[catboi]

Vote Count 2.02

skitter30 (2):

Datisi, Aristeia

VP Baltar (1):

innocentvillager

Andresvmb (1):

House

Not Voting (7):

Andresvmb, MathBlade, OutWorldER, skitter30, Something_Smart, VP Baltar, Frogsterking

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 2 is February 7 at 8:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-02-07 21:00:00)

[Frogsterking]

i dont see lap voting me with scum!andre already there, if u look at the earlier VC. i thought newbscum were paranoid about distancing.

for what it's worth, out of reasons to consider andres town, this doesn't feel like an actually good one, i don't think the fact andres was memevoting you would make lap not want to vote there if they're partnered

Well i stand corrected.

I'm wondering what Occam's Razor would indicate in this situation if i knew how to apply it correctly.

[Datisi]

why did you give up on questioning ari that quickly?

[VP Baltar]

i get why me saying "a50 is most likely scum, if he's town then it's in vp/skitter" looks unfortunate if you're town and you have info on a50 being town. like, i get it. but look at everything else that points at me being town - i can go through each and every one of my scumgames on site to show why this isn't how i play around my partners. iv can vouch for the sheer level of planning i do as scum, especially when we're planning theatre. lapla fell apart, that doesn't happen if i'm there.

Iv, I'd like to hear your assessment on whether you think it is possible Datisi bussed lap.

[Frogsterking]

why did you give up on questioning ari that quickly?

Who me?

[Aristeia]

why did you give up on questioning ari that quickly?

You could always question me yourself dear <3

[Frogsterking]

why did you give up on questioning ari that quickly?

You could always question me yourself dear <3

I was thinking it made the most sense for Datisi to interrogate Ari.

[VP Baltar]

ari and andres have admittedly weak votes on lapla. but those weak votes make no sense as bussing votes. what do scum!andres or scum!ari gain by blindly sheeping me/rtp onto the wagon, and not even trying to divert any attention elsehwere?

they're not getting towncred for the vote,

they're not opening the door for any other yeet, they're not setting up shit, they're just gamethrowing.

Isn't this literally what you're doing right now?

I agree they are non-controlling of the wagon, but ari was always going to sheep you D1 as meta. If that sheep happens to go onto a weak buddy, that seems like something that is going to be considered town-indicative generally. I have a hard time imagining a world where Ari in particular comes out double barreled on D1 and people aren't asking questions about her meta, at least from what I saw last game with her. I find it somewhat weird you have no paranoia or suspicion of the Lap wagon having bus potential when he just straight spaghettied himself and then left the thread at the mildest pressure.

That reads a lot to me like you wanting to keep townies happy.

[Aristeia]

awww

Frogster you are adoorable

[Datisi]

god this is stupid

if my scum plan is to flip a50, then once he flips green, turn that into a scumcase for vp and skitt, why the fuck do i say that plan outloud day 2 instead of pretending to reread the game "in light of green!a50" day 3 and come to that conclusion then

this just opens the door for me being accused of chaining, which is something i'm well aware as scum and wouldn't do it

even if i didn't get accused of it today, someone would've made the callback tomorrow once i started pushing vp and/or skitt

and i love how all of this completely ignores the preflip i did on a50 flipping red, yep sure definitely single minded here totally just put my scumplan out there and now i'm going shocked pikachu face for being pushed for things i know towns find scummy and that would actually be LESS EFFORT for scum me to NOT POST

BRILLIANT

[Aristeia]

Watching Datisi hand wave about how comically stupid it would be for him to play scum this way is one of my favorite things.

Esp when VPB is being unreasonable.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Ari

Don’t mind me I am just a lurkin

[VP Baltar]

I don't think VPB claimed PR if that's what you think he did

No, but he softed the shit out of it.

i really REALLY don't think baltar of either alignment goes from "kill a50" to "a50 is conftown" without some sort of mech info, and i don't think this is exactly rocket surgery for scum to figure out either, which is why i'm fine talking about it with this level of openness

Sure, let's be absolutely clear: i received information last night. A50 is town. I won't be discussing the way that information came to me because scum trying to actually figure it out is an exercise in futility. I chose to release said info to stop a wasted discussion about a50 and to completely flip the script on any narratives scum wanted to open today with.

The fact multiple people came out today with "let's sheep Koba, vote:vp!" shows scum could have easily come into today pushing a couple easy misyeets had I not turned that plan on its head.

[Datisi]

ari and andres have admittedly weak votes on lapla. but those weak votes make no sense as bussing votes. what do scum!andres or scum!ari gain by blindly sheeping me/rtp onto the wagon, and not even trying to divert any attention elsehwere?

they're not getting towncred for the vote,

they're not opening the door for any other yeet, they're not setting up shit, they're just gamethrowing.

Isn't this literally what you're doing right now?

I agree they are non-controlling of the wagon, but ari was always going to sheep you D1 as meta. If that sheep happens to go onto a weak buddy, that seems like something that is going to be considered town-indicative generally. I have a hard time imagining a world where Ari in particular comes out double barreled on D1 and people aren't asking questions about her meta, at least from what I saw last game with her. I find it somewhat weird you have no paranoia or suspicion of the Lap wagon having bus potential when he just straight spaghettied himself and then left the thread at the mildest pressure.

That reads a lot to me like you wanting to keep townies happy.

sure. but that's always the issue in mafia - "what if that's what they *want* you to think?". i'm faced with the choice of having to decide whether this is town!ari who lolvoted alongside me, or if this is scum!ari who bussed a partner the second i indicated wanting to vote there, didn't try to save him at any point, didn't try to make a point of how much she's bussing, didn't try to divert elsewhere.

i know it would be sort of suspicious if she started going straight up against me, but hell, she had no problems voting for me in rvs. means she's not immune from voting me.

saying that i didn't have paranoia of lapla being bussed is false - i called out a shitty hammer on him when i saw it. but if we wanna talk today. house and frogster are ubertown, ari and andres have such weird votes, rtp is dead, and mathblade is allegedly confirmed town. we can talk about bussing all we want, but scumteams sometimes fall apart on day one.

ALSO, the "wanting to keep townies happy" line is ridiculous, WHO am i trying to keep happy here?? you and mathblade??? by going against your "there's scum on the wagon" and going "no! we should be voting skitter!! i don't think there's scum on the wagon if it's not math!!!" are you listening to yourself

[MathBlade]

I don't think VPB claimed PR if that's what you think he did

No, but he softed the shit out of it.

i really REALLY don't think baltar of either alignment goes from "kill a50" to "a50 is conftown" without some sort of mech info, and i don't think this is exactly rocket surgery for scum to figure out either, which is why i'm fine talking about it with this level of openness

Sure, let's be absolutely clear: i received information last night. A50 is town. I won't be discussing the way that information came to me because scum trying to actually figure it out is an exercise in futility. I chose to release said info to stop a wasted discussion about a50 and to completely flip the script on any narratives scum wanted to open today with.

The fact multiple people came out today with "let's sheep Koba, vote:vp!" shows scum could have easily come into today pushing a couple easy misyeets had I not turned that plan on its head.

Agreed. Ari fits the bill as busser and opening up on VFP and has seemingly been trying to pocket Dat. I want to see more from Ari.

Like I kinda feel an Ari/Andres flip.

[Aristeia]

Have you actually read the game mathblade?

[Datisi]

why did you give up on questioning ari that quickly?

Who me?

yeah you

you asked ari if she's scum, and once she was like "nope!" you were like "understandable, have a nice day"

[MathBlade]

Have you actually read the game mathblade?

I have head the like 4-5 pages that game up this morning
VP v Dat seems like a TvT shitfest
You seem content to egg Dat on and push VP

Then combined with a little VCA meaning Andres and you only potential bussers left means I want to see some pressure on you while I do

[VP Baltar]

god this is stupid

if my scum plan is to flip a50, then once he flips green, turn that into a scumcase for vp and skitt, why the fuck do i say that plan outloud day 2 instead of pretending to reread the game "in light of green!a50" day 3 and come to that conclusion then

this just opens the door for me being accused of chaining, which is something i'm well aware as scum and wouldn't do it

even if i didn't get accused of it today, someone would've made the callback tomorrow once i started pushing vp and/or skitt

and i love how all of this completely ignores the preflip i did on a50 flipping red, yep sure definitely single minded here totally just put my scumplan out there and now i'm going shocked pikachu face for being pushed for things i know towns find scummy and that would actually be LESS EFFORT for scum me to NOT POST

BRILLIANT

Just going to say that "I would never do...." is not a convincing argument to me.

You can post it if you want, but that line of thought is mostly a waste for me. I don't think it's unreasonable for scum to speculate they could get a50/me flipped in either order with few questions from a town that is highly suggestable.

[House]

Sure, let's be absolutely clear: i received information last night. A50 is town.

[Aristeia]

Have you actually read the game mathblade?

I have head the like 4-5 pages that game up this morning
VP v Dat seems like a TvT shitfest
You seem content to egg Dat on and push VP

Then combined with a little VCA meaning Andres and you only potential bussers left means I want to see some pressure on you while I do

You just lost a game for town because of VCA perhaps you should read the game before taking some short cuts.

[MathBlade]

VP and Dat: I get it. Y’all think your shit is the best.
Either come up with some cohesive argument or move on.

This many many posts back and forth is not productive