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[Enchant]

No.

I think Mastina should keep vote.

If Mastina+Galron voting you, it confirms one of you is mafia, because if you are mafia, no one quickhammer you, and if you are town, but Galron mafia, then there's not enough votepower.
Otherwise we not making anything.

[House]

No.

I think Mastina should keep vote.

If Mastina+Galron voting you, it confirms one of you is mafia, because if you are mafia, no one quickhammer you, and if you are town, but Galron mafia, then there's not enough votepower.
Otherwise we not making anything.

You still think I can be scum.

It would not be against site rules for you to take her place when she unvotes.

Same end is achieved. It would take Dwlee & Titus to hammer me.

[House]

Please refrain from further discussing whether or not something is a rules break in the game thread. If you have any concerns please pm me instead.

Oops, understood.

Apologies.

[Enchant]

I sleep.

[House]

Hey Titus,

Just out of curiosity... what kind of cake do you like?

No reason for asking, or anything. Just... curious.

[mastina]

I played to my win condition. I achieved my mission.

So eliminating the most obvtown nonconftown player who was a town investigative power role was playing to your wincon?

I wonder which wincon that'd be?

You saying by this kill you playing on your wincon.

It's only truth if you are NOT town.

So I claim no responsibility for what you did

I played to my win condition. I achieved my mission.

You didn't achieve town wincon.
You actually pulled us in deep ass while we barely started to manage pull self out.

This.

Even mastina knows better than to try to call me scum at this point.

Oh you absolutely can be scum.

I am speaking to you as if you are town to let you know why your actions if town are utterly unacceptable, should never be tolerated, and deserve to be punished because actions have consequences and that policy is more important to enforce than a win in a single game.

But I don't know you to be town because your actions weren't gamethrowing if you were scum; they were playing to your wincon.

Your actions were gamethrowing if town but your wincon if scum.

Which means that you're a policy vote--either you flip scum because you pulled this gambit as scum and then we're down to only one scum alive, or you flip town because you gamethrew and we punish the lie.

There's a reasonable chance for you to be scum here anyway.

Titus insists that Dwlee is town here absolutely--I don't trust her there, but it reduces the odds of Dwlee being scum.
You insist that Enchant is town here absolutely--I kinda trust that one actually.
I am conftown.

So if it's not Dwlee per Titus, and it's not Enchant per you, who's that leave?

{Titus, Galron, House}.

So unless the scumteam is {Titus, Galron}, then between Titus's clear and your clear you would be scum.

I refuse to lose to a player who got the most obvtown slot in the game who was a TPR voted out. Because contrary to the narrative you're selling? Yes, you can be scum.

Yes, I am speaking to you assuming you are town. Because assuming you are town you need to learn why what you did as town is literally playing to the scum wincon. Because you CAN be scum because it IS playing to the scum wincon. If it wasn't playing to the scum wincon, there wouldn't be reason to vote you. But it WAS because you literally could not have advanced the scum wincon further than you did.

You killed the most obvtown player in the game who wasn't conftown.
You killed a town PR.
You killed an investigative.
You killed a role that with another scum elimination would've been elevated to COP levels, which would've forced the scum to nightkill them.
You killed a self-resolving slot.
You denied the town the chance to massclaim outside of mylo.
You denied me a chance to post all of yesterday.
You denied the town/scum a chance to spew themselves yesterday. For instance, after I defended Scorpious, there was at least a reasonable chance that I would be pushed yesterday since my masonbuddy was still alive. We could have garnered information from that. But you denied us that.
You caused my masonbuddy to be dead because of rushing through yesterday and giving the scum a free nightkill.

What in the above isn't pro-scum, House?

Because that's literally playing to every part of the scum wincon.

Which is why there's only two worlds.

Either you're gamethrowing town who needs to be taught why that gamethrowing is not acceptable.
Or you're scum.

And the evidence for you being scum IS there, no matter how much you may say otherwise.

[House]

So eliminating the most obvtown nonconftown player who was a town investigative power role was playing to your wincon?

Finding scum was playing to my wincon, and gambits are a long and storied part of my meta to that end

I have never once in my history ever fakeclaimed a guilty as scum. It's suicide.

[House]

And I don't buy your ass-covering bullshit.

You know I'm fucking town. This is straight trash play in MeLi and you damned well either know it or need a fucking lesson of your own.

[mastina]

I called shenanigans on Greeting because his claimed action made no sense.

You know what I call shenanigans on?

The idea that town would claim a guilty on a slot that was, prior to the fake guilty, the most obvtown slot in the game, when the scum would be forced to kill that player thanks to their claim, and in the process of that fakeclaim denied the town an entire day phase worth of good info and denied the town a massclaim and as a consequence led to the death of a mason?

That's shenanigans.

Gambits are fine. They are punished for reason. They also called Gambits for reason. High Risk, High Reward. You had High Risk, Low Reward even before flip so i don't see you doing this as town, unless you are idiot. You are not idiot.

From my perspective you played well, as scum.
Getting this elim was good.

If i let you get away with this, i will be idiot.
I am not Idiot.

This.

[House]

And I don't buy your ass-covering bullshit.

You know I'm fucking town. This is straight trash play in MeLo* and you damned well either know it or need a fucking lesson of your own.

EBWOP

[House]

You killed the most obvtown player in the game who wasn't conftown.
You killed a town PR.
You killed an investigative.
You killed a role that with another scum elimination would've been elevated to COP levels, which would've forced the scum to nightkill them.
You killed a self-resolving slot.
You denied the town the chance to massclaim outside of mylo.
You denied me a chance to post all of yesterday.
You denied the town/scum a chance to spew themselves yesterday. For instance, after I defended Scorpious, there was at least a reasonable chance that I would be pushed yesterday since my masonbuddy was still alive. We could have garnered information from that. But you denied us that.
You caused my masonbuddy to be dead because of rushing through yesterday and giving the scum a free nightkill.

All readings to never play another game with me again, not throw the game over.

[House]

You killed the most obvtown player in the game who wasn't conftown.
You killed a town PR.
You killed an investigative.
You killed a role that with another scum elimination would've been elevated to COP levels, which would've forced the scum to nightkill them.
You killed a self-resolving slot.
You denied the town the chance to massclaim outside of mylo.
You denied me a chance to post all of yesterday.
You denied the town/scum a chance to spew themselves yesterday. For instance, after I defended Scorpious, there was at least a reasonable chance that I would be pushed yesterday since my masonbuddy was still alive. We could have garnered information from that. But you denied us that.
You caused my masonbuddy to be dead because of rushing through yesterday and giving the scum a free nightkill.

All reasons* to never play another game with me again, not throw the game over.

EBWOP

[Titus]

Hey Titus,

Just out of curiosity... what kind of cake do you like?

No reason for asking, or anything. Just... curious.

Chocolate.

[House]

Hey Titus,

Just out of curiosity... what kind of cake do you like?

No reason for asking, or anything. Just... curious.

Chocolate.

Devil's Food? German?

[Titus]

You're suggesting I will vote you and wind up eating it right?

Yes. Anything but white.

[House]

You're suggesting I will vote you and wind up eating it right?

Yes. Anything but white.

No.

I'm suggesting you may well be right after all.

[House]

If Enchant was town, they'd have been fine with replacing mastina on the wagon.

Calling for Galron & Enchant to vote me gives them opportunity to hammer.

[House]

If Enchant was town, they'd have been fine with replacing mastina on the wagon.

Calling for Galron & Dwlee* to vote me gives them opportunity to hammer.

[mastina]

Does anyone disagree on where the thread is strategically?

Not to play my hand too hard but I as a mason do know more info than I've revealed. (I'm

not

just a mason. I have an additional role beyond that.)

Let's just say that I had very good reason to believe I would be dead before now.

He'd never kill mastina despite her being a Mason because she's actively gamethrowing (something something rule 10 something).

Speaking of me not being killed tho: I was an advocate for Dwlee being scum since D2.

I wanted Dwlee or Flea dead on D2. The town collectively decided on Flea over Dwlee.

House, why didn't you back me there if you think that Dwlee is scum?

I wanted Dwlee dead on D3. The town ignored me in favor of voting out Scorpious (which to be fair worked out as he was scum).

House, why didn't you back me there if you think that Dwlee is scum?

I made it clear I wanted Dwlee dead on D4.

House, why didn't you back me there if you think that Dwlee is scum?

I had Greeting as one of my strongest townreads.
Taly had Greeting as one of his strongest townreads.

Why did you push through an elimination that was a group consensus hard-townread?

You had your chance to push Dwlee, House. Back when I was pushing Dwlee.
I didn't get nightkilled in spite of pushing Dwlee.

So tell me, why wasn't I killed when I hard-scumread Dwlee the entire game and had been defending you as town the entire game?

You're trying to sell the narrative that I was scumreading you prior to today. But my scumread on you is brand new to today.

[Titus]

Ugh I feel this game is in my hands. I don't want the responsibility. I just want a choice made soon so night can fall mostly when I'm in trial. #selfish

[Titus]

(I'm not just a mason. I have an additional role beyond that.)

Triplicate? You can refuse to answer if you don't want or are confused.

[House]

You're trying to sell the narrative that I was scumreading you prior to today. But my scumread on you is brand new to today.

Wrong.

I was pointing out that

you couldn't even pretend

to scumread me.

You're only doing so now to save your ass.

Dwlee was a nullread to me until I PoE'd him, which I now think Titus was right about him on since Enchant didn't want to let literally confirmed town be the off-wagon player in their hammer test.

[Titus]

Not sure how to play around that.

[Titus]

Nothing else makes sense.

[House]

Ugh I feel this game is in my hands. I don't want the responsibility. I just want a choice made soon so night can fall mostly when I'm in trial. #selfish

Not sure how to play around that.

I'm saying it's most likely Galron/Enchant.