open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

Datisi/Pooky picking multitasking and intentionally colliding is a pretty tough pill to swallow. Though I obviously know that solve is wrong anyway, and I don't know how much of it is associative-based.

Yeah i'm having a hard time seeing that one

I'm kind thinking enchant + one of {dats, ss} + one of {alyssa kaiji}

[skitter30]

That's... encouraging?

Why do you think I'm not? PoE?

I mean for me i'm looking at you again since i'm kinda running out of places scum can be if catboi and mare are both town

[skitter30]

with Mare/Catboi being town and Enchant/Datisi being scum

Kaiji doesn't fit the profile of somebody that would make these kills

You and Skitter both do, but I think Skitter looks a bit more town

that's basically it

I don't generally buy into NKA much, but I'm clearly out of tune with how people think, just, in general.

I think that a Kaiji-scum/catboi-town world only makes sense if scum did have the N3 vig and Kaiji was just angling to win yesterday, and even then I find it unlikely that Kaiji would see that as the easiest way to win.

The nightkills this game very strongly signify a "stable" type mindset

You and skitter are the types of players I strongly expect to have that type of mindset

Kaiji (at least I suspect as much) and myself are players that have an "unstable" type mindset

aka the nightkills this game aren't trying to fuck with people, they're playing around mechanics and avoiding PoEs

Fwiw i consider ss 'unstable' in this regard
See: a prior iteration where he no killed to fake a jk-guilty (iirc that was the reasoning for the no kill)

[Alyssa The Lamb]

okay

so who in this playerlist kills midwaybear night 2

[skitter30]

I think most people do. I'm not dure it points to anyone in particular

[skitter30]

Remember midway was on andante (and andante was supposed to be on midway) - midway by dayplay was scummy but the role is annoying for scum

[Alyssa The Lamb]

the doctor was also leashed

you could really just kill whoever you wanted and then kill midwaybear afterwards if people buy that their actions are legitimate

[skitter30]

I find galron over mare to be a lot more interesting, although admittedly i'm not 100% sure what it means

Pedit idk

[Alyssa The Lamb]

it's not like the scumteam are going to have to worry about getting screwed over by a watcher or a jailkeeper

and if kaiji is scum, then what are the odds he even 'gambits' that Andante would do what she did

but then you run into the same problem of him just arbitrarily pushing a really odd tunnel on a slot that was pretty much just town based on that one action alone

[Alyssa The Lamb]

galron was 100% the best choice for a kill last night and I think borderline every single possible scumteam in this game would've made that kill

[Alyssa The Lamb]

that slot was one of town's last PRs
it was probably never going to be voted out
it's the only remaining town role that can catch scum in any way
it sheds no light at all on the tension in the game outside of Kaiji's tunnel

really there just isn't a better choice

[Datisi]

i currently have some sorta reason to townread everyone except enchant and alyssa, which like. is a problem due to obvious reasons. but now i'm also wondering whether catboi's continued claims that he kills enchant tonight means it's enchant/catboi/alyssa

i guess i would need to recheck kaiji's bravado yesterday, depending on how viable it was to actually get the catboi misyeet?

[skitter30]

Fair enuf

[Datisi]

i know skitt was probably responding to alyssa but i will pretend she was responding to me

[skitter30]

Alyssa >.>

[Something_Smart]

I dont suggest faking a guilty that involves faking an inno on myself as well

Why not? If Menaslot is planning to take a fall anyway, the innos don't really matter.

[Something_Smart]

See: a prior iteration where he no killed to fake a jk-guilty (iirc that was the reasoning for the no kill)

It was more to fake-clear the JK (since we knew there were no other kill-blocking roles), but yes.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

and... that's playing with mechanics and avoiding PoEs

that's not a kill made just to fuck with people

[Alyssa The Lamb]

like when I have a choice in who to kill, 80+% of the time I will go for the slots that are either the least likely to buy into the narrative that all the wrong towns are pushing, or the ones that are the most likely to shut down the wrong thought processes. Kills tend to look really odd when I'm scum because I don't just kill people that have good reads or that are just competent players just for those reasons alone

I suspect Kaiji is a similar type of player, but I think that's a bit more on the rare side since that's more of a "mastermind" type scum mindset since generally those types of kills have a tendency to make town more unpredictable in the short term and so it's harder to really make those types of plans work

I'd argue most people probably fit under the more stable type of mindsets, but this game feels way more like a textbook example of it than anything, which is one of the reasons I think Kaiji just isn't likely to be scum this game

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I suspect Kaiji is a similar type of player, but I think that type of playstyle is a bit more on the rare side since that's more of a "mastermind" type scum mindset since generally those types of kills have a tendency to make town more unpredictable in the short term and so it's harder to really make those types of plans work

edited so it looks less awkward

[skitter30]

I dont suggest faking a guilty that involves faking an inno on myself as well

Why not? If Menaslot is planning to take a fall anyway, the innos don't really matter.

Dunno. Ties myself to the guilty too much, i would probably pick non-scum for the inno

[Enchant]

Do you even open to listening or we can as well move on?

[Kaiji]

I think skitter is intentionally not looking at certain slots critically or in depth in order to falsify solves with those ppl in it

[Kaiji]

Theres no attempt to narrow down poe but rather keep it open etc.

Why do you lack reasos to townread alyssa, datisi?
I think her thought processes and perception of the game are very strongly town indicative.
In fact it would be a huge mistake for mafia to let us into 5 way both alive

[Kaiji]

galron was 100% the best choice for a kill last night and I think borderline every single possible scumteam in this game would've made that kill

I kill someone else to shut them up - then the tracker next night.
That is, unless im going into this day expecting to win the cc