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[Datisi]

i can't quantify it

my experience is that with scum!math, i get ~evil vibes~ as he's trying to twist the gamestate into a scum!favorable one, while i don't get those vibes when he's town

[Frogsterking]

i actually hate math's posts so much that i am trying to think of any possible combination of someone fakeclaiming vt or wondering if math can be ascetic or some nonsense like that

same.

I think if we want to mail it home based on a mech~clear for MB/IV/SS.

I'd bet on Datisi/House being both town and just going for that win.

That win or that solve ??

[Frogsterking]

i can't quantify it

my experience is that with scum!math, i get ~evil vibes~ as he's trying to twist the gamestate into a scum!favorable one, while i don't get those vibes when he's town

I've gotten evil vibes from Math in this game

[Aristeia]

i actually hate math's posts so much that i am trying to think of any possible combination of someone fakeclaiming vt or wondering if math can be ascetic or some nonsense like that

same.

I think if we want to mail it home based on a mech~clear for MB/IV/SS.

I'd bet on Datisi/House being both town and just going for that win.

That win or that solve ??

I mean if we bet it on killing ari - frog - andres in some order I would be ok with that.

If we lose to scum iv or mathblade I'd feel gross.

if we lose to scum datisi or house I'd be impressed with their play.

[Aristeia]

I have to read some scum games to get a better feel so if you could link your best scum game that would be lovely.

[Andresvmb]

I have largely skimmed today, so take it with a grain of salt, but I have a real hard time seeing Datisi as Scum here. I think Aristeia is quite competent, so I don’t want to say definitively that they’re Town, but I would be amazed if they flipped Scum.

I think Frogsterking has realized that their only viable option is to push me hard here, and that’s why I’m getting shade from them every second post. And frankly, I don’t care about getting executed provided Frogsterking also gets executed. I don’t feel the need to have to repeat myself a million times, but I will add that the slot was intent on almost speed hammering what is now the claimed Gunsmith, and none of you even felt the need to bring that up.

[Andresvmb]

I also don’t think the solution is to be found entirely within the VT claims. I don’t. Again, if this is Datisi Scum, and I have seen Datisi play Scum and this really doesn’t feel like it (and RTP vetoed that execution also), then I’m stuck being forced to contemplate a world with Aristeia Scum and why does Scum here even begin to question the validity of the Gunsmith alignment or argue so forcefully against Mathblade who is making me want to shoot myself in this game at times.

[Andresvmb]

ffff that's a lot of posts. I'll fully respond once I'm off work, but 1. frogster's 592 case is garbage and 2. what exactly is "lunchbait"? I have ideas from context, but want to make sure.

@Datisi stuff like this just makes me think that you’re discounting too hard that there was intense distancing going on between Lap and Frogsterking and though Lap appears to have abandoned the game towards the end of D1, I do think the strategy to distance is somewhat obvious.

[Something_Smart]

I also don’t think the solution is to be found entirely within the VT claims.

VOTE: Andresvmb

[Datisi]

I also don’t think the solution is to be found entirely within the VT claims.

VOTE: Andresvmb

i have also expressed the same idea, where is my vote

[Datisi]

andres, mind tl;dring me your reads? you townread me and ari, scumread frogs, i'm assuming you think house is town, what's the status on the rest? i'm not assuming that against mathblade is an explicit scumread.

[Andresvmb]

@Math, is 2752 acceptable from your perspective? You’ve shaded Aristeia and Datisi aggressively for doubting your alignment today. What do you make of this?

[Andresvmb]

andres, mind tl;dring me your reads? you townread me and ari, scumread frogs, i'm assuming you think house is town, what's the status on the rest? i'm not assuming that against mathblade is an explicit scumread.

It’s not. The mechanical argument for Mathblade is too strong for me to ignore. So I haven’t spent a lot of time trying to read the slot because I think the odds are dramatically in their favor of having been cleared. I’m finding Math to be irritating as all shit this game (way too stubborn in my view), but that doesn’t make them Scum.

[Something_Smart]

i have also expressed the same idea, where is my vote

Coming tomorrow if I'm still alive, I guess.

[Andresvmb]

Why is House cleared again?

[Andresvmb]

when i look at ur scum range will i find examples of u faking optimism?

Take a look at my scum games.

Only the ones from 2021 count. My meta has shifted drastically since 2016.

im afraid to im afraid i wont be able to find anyway to read u.

Bullshit.

My town & scum games are ridiculously different.

Is it because they keep insisting on stuff like this?

[Something_Smart]

s_s, you said how house once pocketed you with something like this, mind telling me what happened and how that compares to now?

I actually don't think it was so similar in retrospect. I can link the game if you want, but it's a very old one and he would complain that it's no longer relevant.

[Datisi]

andres, mind tl;dring me your reads? you townread me and ari, scumread frogs, i'm assuming you think house is town, what's the status on the rest? i'm not assuming that against mathblade is an explicit scumread.

It’s not. The mechanical argument for Mathblade is too strong for me to ignore. So I haven’t spent a lot of time trying to read the slot because I think the odds are dramatically in their favor of having been cleared. I’m finding Math to be irritating as all shit this game (way too stubborn in my view), but that doesn’t make them Scum.

well, okay, in that case, why/how do you think scum isn't within vt claims?

[Andresvmb]

I could make the meta argument (checked by other players and stated from a confirmed Town mindset elsewhere in case you want to bother to look for it) that I avoid bussing as hard as I can as Scum. I almost never do it, and I have in the past even avoided bussing a Cop guilty. But those arguments should be properly discounted.

Now, does House make two hard claims, one CLEARLY designed to “eat the NK” as Scum? I would say that perhaps not, but that assessment is not as solid because House is evidently not against fake claiming as either alignment, and so it’s not as powerful. But yeah it’s not where I would be looking first here.

[Andresvmb]

andres, mind tl;dring me your reads? you townread me and ari, scumread frogs, i'm assuming you think house is town, what's the status on the rest? i'm not assuming that against mathblade is an explicit scumread.

It’s not. The mechanical argument for Mathblade is too strong for me to ignore. So I haven’t spent a lot of time trying to read the slot because I think the odds are dramatically in their favor of having been cleared. I’m finding Math to be irritating as all shit this game (way too stubborn in my view), but that doesn’t make them Scum.

well, okay, in that case, why/how do you think scum isn't within vt claims?

Because I think you’re not Scum. I have found you inquisitive, somewhat irritable, but aggressive in a good way, and with an independent mindset. You have hard TR Aristeia (and the reverse) for most of the game, which I think would be absurd for Scum Partners. Since I SR Frogsterking for reasons I’ve stated already, I’m having trouble pinning down the Partner.

[Andresvmb]

I’m excluding S_S (who is the closest we have to a Confirmed Town) and IV (who as Gunsmith with a confirmed check on S_S and against what was actually stated in the thread up until that time, fits mechanically with the setup).

[Andresvmb]

I mean @Datisi how convinced are you that Aristeia is Town? Because if your level of conviction is very high, do you think there’s any potential that you’re being pocketed?

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: skitter

I did it, rip the tiger

The fact that some of you (I’m looking at you S_S) really want to execute me ahead of Frogsterking is nuts to me, but I really don’t care what order we actually run through this provided that Frogsterking gets executed.

[House]

I'm still sticking with Andres/MB as my solve.

Summon me when we're ready to actually do something useful.

[Datisi]

I mean @Datisi how convinced are you that Aristeia is Town? Because if your level of conviction is very high, do you think there’s any potential that you’re being pocketed?

it's definitely not Very High. she's in the same boat as you, as in had a vote on lapla that wasn't flashy or attention grabbing and didn't try to divert. she's somewhat more individually townie than you are, but not extremely so.