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[House]

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[Frogsterking]

@Ari

you are going to be left alive with scum!tisi and town!math because you're less useful for determining Datisi's alignment than a doorknob.

Ok and you think I'll vote for Math when that happens because?

See you have no idea what's going on.

It doesn't matter who you vote for, town!math is going to vote you, and scum!tisi will hammer. Or scum!tisi will pretend to scumread you, and Math will hammer you. Either way it doesn't matter whether or not you finally realize Dat is one of the fake VT claims.

@Ari

you are going to be left alive with scum!tisi and town!math because you're less useful for determining Datisi's alignment than a doorknob.

Ok and you think I'll vote for Math when that happens because?

Something something pursuing town win con something

LOL

[Datisi]

they'll be bitter

you do know that not everyone is as omgusy as you are?

i once brought a claimed power role to 3-way who i had been pushing for the *entire game* and i convinced her i was town so lole

[MathBlade]

@Ari

you are going to be left alive with scum!tisi and town!math because you're less useful for determining Datisi's alignment than a doorknob.

Ok and you think I'll vote for Math when that happens because?

The only hope for an Ari scum is bring House and vote House and make me decide. She brings Dat she loses

Coming from the same person that was screaming for Dats blood at the start of day and even now maintains a lim pool with Dats in it.

Yes. Reads evolve.
Ari + Datisi results in a cross vote as I am mechanically clear to Ari.

She can’t vote me or it’s a scum claim. So then she loses control. It’s -EV

Ari scum does Datisi and House for that reason every time.

[Aristeia]

It doesn't matter who you vote for, town!math is going to vote you, and scum!tisi will hammer. Or scum!tisi will pretend to scumread you, and Math will hammer you. Either way it doesn't matter whether or not you finally realize Dat is one of the fake VT claims.

So why are you directing the comment to me? If you think Math!town is going to vote me out at Elo and let Datisi!scum win, shouldn't you be convincing Mathblade that he doesn't know how to read Datisi?

[Frogsterking]

they'll be bitter

you do know that not everyone is as omgusy as you are?

i once brought a claimed power role to 3-way who i had been pushing for the *entire game* and i convinced her i was town so lole

Nice story scum!tisi

[House]

they'll be bitter

you do know that not everyone is as omgusy as you are?

i once brought a claimed power role to 3-way who i had been pushing for the *entire game* and i convinced her i was town so lole

Math and I are.

Math is probably 3.14159x more OMGUSy.

[MathBlade]

Mainly what realistically should happen
Elim Frogger
Vig / Elim House

See if we have a new day

[Datisi]

"here is why you're wrong and your assessment is nonsense"

"lol ok scum"

[House]

Mainly what realistically should happen
Elim Frogger
Vig / Elim Mathblade

See if we have a new day

Totes agree.

Totes.

Totes, Math.

[MathBlade]

"here is why you're wrong and your assessment is nonsense"

"lol ok scum"

Yeah I am just giving until after work for Andres and IV to catch up but it’s probably House Frogger

[Datisi]

still don't think it's house, but my pool of scumreads is very small rn so i should probably work on that at some point

[Frogsterking]

It doesn't matter who you vote for, town!math is going to vote you, and scum!tisi will hammer. Or scum!tisi will pretend to scumread you, and Math will hammer you. Either way it doesn't matter whether or not you finally realize Dat is one of the fake VT claims.

So why are you directing the comment to me? If you think Math!town is going to vote me out at Elo and let Datisi!scum win, shouldn't you be convincing Mathblade that he doesn't know how to read Datisi?

I'VE. TRIED. A LOT.

[MathBlade]

still don't think it's house, but my pool of scumreads is very small rn so i should probably work on that at some point

You should. Probably overnight.

[Aristeia]

so what's your case for why Datisi is scum?

[Frogsterking]

so what's your case for why Datisi is scum?

Okay well first of all, his read progression on my slot makes no sense. He produced a lot of content about why I'm town pretty consistently throughout the game, and came up with lots of reasons why Math could be scum on D3, and then as soon as I start pressuring his slot he votes me. He also made it directly clear earlier he's not trying to convince me to change my mind about my FoS. If I had that strong of a townread on a slot and that slot started pressuring me, I might vote them initially, but eventually I would want to come kind of agreement, not BW them since I read the slot as town.

I imagine that Datisi's read progression on other slots in this game make little sense as well, it's just the easiest to notice with mine.

I also think if you look at his two big posts:

2198
1209

I think the way he wrote his townread on me is TMI. I think his read on my behavior is really accurate and he was able to find lots of examples of townie things I did because he was working through the knowledge he already knew that I was town. I think town players have more trouble understanding my actions or motivations, and so they may townread me (or not), but the townreads aren't as thorough because they aren't as sure. His are thorough because he already knows I'm town so it's easy for him to come up with examples why.

And the last thing I came up with is the thing I was trying to explain to you yesterday about the bussing. I don't think this is a situation scum want to be bussing in if they don't have to, it's easier to win if they're both alive and they just have to make it through a couple more mislims, and if something goes wrong tomorrow the other partner still has a chance of solo winning. Bussing today also introduces the chance of losing automatically based on night play. And, this isn't a table that seems inclined to townread players simply because they were on a wagon. FYPOV the only ways that are likely involving me being scum are if I'm being bussed right now, and you appear to think this is a very probable event, and I think you're dead wrong, I read what you linked me to about the White Flag Gambit, and I do understand the concept you're referring to, but there's a difference between it being POSSIBLE andres or Datisi are bussing me and PROBABLE.

Objectively from my own experience, when there is a PoE down to four players, and three of the four players BW the fourth, and two of those three players have almost non existent read progressions to be on their BW, I would expect it to be extremely improbable that the person being BWed is actually going to flip scum. Possible yes, but not likely.

Something else I just thought of is that I think there may be more signs over the next few days that Datisi is scum, I think Datisi was careful early on because they appeared townie, but I think his posts on D3 have been getting more transparent, and I think he is getting lazier in his scum game now because he feels confident you're going to fail in your town play so he has one less threat to worry about.

[House]

still don't think it's house, but my pool of scumreads is very small rn so i should probably work on that at some point

You posturing for a read flip?

Just curious.

[Datisi]

He produced a lot of content about why I'm town pretty consistently throughout the game, and came up with lots of reasons why Math could be scum on D3, and then as soon as I start pressuring his slot he votes me. He also made it directly clear earlier he's not trying to convince me to change my mind about my FoS. If I had that strong of a townread on a slot and that slot started pressuring me, I might vote them initially, but eventually I would want to come kind of agreement, not BW them since I read the slot as town.

- i started suspecting you before you started suspecting me
- even if i had wanted to, i had no way to try to convince you against your scumread of me because you had given two crappy reasons why i'm scum (omgus/poe) and refused to elaborate on either
- tying up to that, what part of me repeatedly asking "why am i scum?" made you think i am not trying to come to an agreement

[Frogsterking]

still don't think it's house, but my pool of scumreads is very small rn so i should probably work on that at some point

You posturing for a read flip?

Just curious.

I feel obligated to interject; yes that is exactly what he's doing, he did it to me and he will do it to you too. He's not bothering to hide his intentions now as much as he did earlier in the game because he thinks we're stupid.

[Frogsterking]

He produced a lot of content about why I'm town pretty consistently throughout the game, and came up with lots of reasons why Math could be scum on D3, and then as soon as I start pressuring his slot he votes me. He also made it directly clear earlier he's not trying to convince me to change my mind about my FoS. If I had that strong of a townread on a slot and that slot started pressuring me, I might vote them initially, but eventually I would want to come kind of agreement, not BW them since I read the slot as town.

- i started suspecting you before you started suspecting me

This is a simple lie and I stopped reading here.

[Datisi]

i don't have a response to "datisi was tmi-ing me as town" because like there is never a response to that other than "i'm not". it's also annoying that frogs didn't try to pry into my thought process on why i swapped my read on him instead of just going blindly into attack mode but o kay

[Datisi]

still don't think it's house, but my pool of scumreads is very small rn so i should probably work on that at some point

You posturing for a read flip?

Just curious.

i'm posturing for a read flip on SOMEONE since i currently have more townreads than there is town left in this game

i have not yet decided who the flip is going to be on

[Datisi]

i'm currently phone posting and going to another exam because my uni hates us, but i will run a check on who started suspecting whom later on because i remember frogs suspecting me in response to me not being sure he's town anymore, but who knows maybe i'm making it up

[Frogsterking]

Now next time Ari asks me for reasons why Datisi is scum I will link to the earliest posts where we both started suspecting each other, and the post where you lied about it. Thanks.

[Datisi]

yeah, because purposefully lying about easily verifiable information on events in game is definitely the pro scum strat i would employ, as opposed to either-alignment forgetting

you sure fucking got me, can't believe i didn't get away with it