Open 843 - Divide & Conquer - Game Over!

[Prism]

I think it'd be a hard throw from Dragons because he can just NK me, and then IV vs. esther becomes a legitimate question. He looks worse for sure but the tradeoff for the chance of winning in 5 way is

absolutely

worth it, which is the entire reason it was better to vote in 3 to begin with.

[Prism]

I do want to see Dragons go down the paranoia rabbit hole.

Here's my ISO. Here's the shovel. If you think I might be scum, go dig.

[Save The Dragons]

Why does Save The Dragons scumread me?

Are you asking me or rhetorically asking prism

I permit you to answer

If you think I'm scum what does it matter

[Prism]

Do you just, like, not at all remember that you never gave a direct scumread, only a quick vote with "Dunnstral's done nothing all game", and that your recent ordering was comparative to Dwlee?

I didn't answer because I wanted to see what you said but if you're going to play 20Q all day jesus

[Dunnstral]

If you think I'm scum what does it matter

What were your posts at the start of the day about if you have this mindset?

I think you should also explain how your read on me progressed to a point where you were willing to vote me over Dwlee last day phase. Because that doesn't make sense to me given the evidence on the table.

[Dunnstral]

I think it'd be a hard throw from Dragons because he can just NK me, and then IV vs. esther becomes a legitimate question. He looks worse for sure but the tradeoff for the chance of winning in 5 way is

absolutely

worth it, which is the entire reason it was better to vote in 3 to begin with.

I disagree, let me go over the scenario:

Official Vote Count 2.07

mc esther

(2): innocentvillager, Dwlee99

innocentvillager

(2): mc esther, Dunnstral

Dunnstral

(2): Brighter Puppy, Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(1): Prism


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Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-28 20:44:58).

Mod notes:

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It was clear that you wanted innocentvillager; it would only take 1 of Dwlee or Brighter Puppy to flip to IV for that to go through. Of particular interest is that Dwlee said that they don't want to flip to IV, but they are pretty adamant about

flipping in the group of 3

, which means it is possible and likely that Dwlee would flip to IV before he flipped to me, and that it would be perceived that way.

I think that if Dwlee had flipped to IV, Save The Dragons had a high chance of being the next elimination, so the reason for Save The Dragons as scum to flip to IV is to avoid a scenario where they lose.

Their other option is to force mc esther with Brighter Puppy, and it is them vs Dwlee again.

[Prism]

Either way if Dragons expected me to just guffaw and say aw shucks guess it really is Dunnstral, no.

If you're legitimately worried I'm scum go dig. I am more than happy to skip being given hammer for once.

[Prism]

That is a lie. I do want hammer, and I am going to take my sweet fucking time deciding. If you're going to keep me locked in here with you I am 100% locking you in here with me. My interviews are over, my last day of work is tomorrow, and a storm will have me stuck inside all weekend.

6 hours down, 162 to go. It is going to be a long ass day.

[Dunnstral]

Why wouldn't I just keep pushing esther and try to wait out the deadline

I want to highlight that the answer to this is that Dwlee probably begrudgingly flips to IV at the last moment and I highlighted that Save the Dragons looked bad with their pushes at end of day yesterday

You are free to explain why Prism didn't keep their vote on me, and I didn't switch my read on Esther. Or why either of those is more likely than what you are defending yourself with here.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think I've ever seen town in limlo reply "why does it matter?" when asked about their scumread on another living player in limlo. Especially when they are entertaining doubts about the third player in limlo. And I don't believe that it can come from town, either

[Dunnstral]

Remember when dwlee did that thing yesterday?

No you dont because dwlee did nothing yesterday

you can argue i did nothing yesterday but i was pushing todoroki in my own way

dunnstral's done nothing all game

[Dunnstral]

Save the Dragons also needs to explain how they ruled out Brighter Puppy, because they barely interacted with them or discussed them.

[Prism]

Should be clear but I don't want a vote until Dragons works through my ISO. No mechanical clear bailouts, and no accidentally denying him the process.

[Save The Dragons]

I don't think I've ever seen town in limlo reply "why does it matter?" when asked about their scumread on another living player in limlo. Especially when they are entertaining doubts about the third player in limlo. And I don't believe that it can come from town, either

this is posturing

[Save The Dragons]

Remember when dwlee did that thing yesterday?

No you dont because dwlee did nothing yesterday

you can argue i did nothing yesterday but i was pushing todoroki in my own way

dunnstral's done nothing all game

that sure is the difference between the three plays

you and dwlee did fuck all D1 while i was pushing todoraki because i thought they were scum

[Save The Dragons]

Save the Dragons also needs to explain how they ruled out Brighter Puppy, because they barely interacted with them or discussed them.

it just feels like the tryhardness is coming from a place of town

[Save The Dragons]

prism i think it's probably just dunnstral here i just am a paranoid person and want to be right if it happens to be you

but i'll take a look and see what i think

[Prism]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be a hero or being paranoid. Like I absolutely do the same shit all the time, it's neurotic.

Simultaneously, I don't know about you, but when I get paranoid of a person I actually try to read them. You didn't the first time around when you were worried it was me/Esther. You entered today then did nothing with it when I called out the flop.

You say you will take a look now, OK, but you haven't had any depth to your read on me and have not followed up on the paranoia to date.

Will be around more after work.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't want to be a hero i don't really enjoy that role in elo because i don't like to be wrong

my paranoia stems from you being wrong and then using ATE which i have been fooled by recently so i'm wary of that kind of behavior. it could be genuine even as scum but it makes me worry.

i don't quite play like you so my answer isn't going to be a huge analysis of your posts to determine where i finally land, it's going to probably be a vibe check of how i feel between you, dunnstral, and interactions with IV.

which i knew i wouldn't be able to get to until this morning so saying i did nothing when i entered is a little meh

[Prism]

Alrighty then. I got all week so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I will probably want ~2 days to deep dive but nowhere near that point yet.

[Prism]

I don't think it takes a particularly long time to realize IV pulled out all the stops to try to get me to swap back but meh, okay.

[Save The Dragons]

im in a meeting hold your horses

[Prism]

...Is there a reason you are taking this so harshly? I am definitely needling you about dodging the substantive points I have already given you but I've also made it clear I'm not voting and 1494 is explicitly saying take your time.

I'm finishing up my last day at work so it's not like I'm rereading right now either.

[Save The Dragons]

1495 says "I don't think it takes particularly long" i.e. hurry up

[Prism]

Reviewing, I don't think I have AtE'd at all this game. I wear my heart on my sleeve but I haven't been survivalistic with it at all, and my most emotional points came when I was wrong on Todoroki, both heads of whom I thought I had on lock, and when Dunnstral told IV there was no point in convincing me I was wrong. I also did not have the heart to go line by line and explain to IV I thought he was spewing bullshit if it was legitimate.

I don't think the second of these has any obvious scum incentive. The first would be an attempt to salvage image when I never had to douse myself in gasoline and toss the match to start. Neither IV nor myself were under threat Day 1. The third takes the world where IV puts on the best distancing performance I have seen in my life and I straight up refuse to engage on my end and therefore torch it.