Open 843 - Divide & Conquer - Game Over!

[Pavowski]

Official Vote Count 4.01

Not Voting

(3): Save The Dragons, Dunnstral, Prism

With 3 employees, it takes 2 to fire.

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-02-10 20:13:14).

Mod notes:

[Save The Dragons]

because i scumread you all game

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think you've done much all game, kinda lurky. you tmi'd todoraki when todoraki died in a smug way. you've said like nothing about IV but "scumread" him. you pushed dwlee and myself 1-dimensionally and said things like "STD looks bad" when I voted for you of all things

[Dunnstral]

Alright, let's go over this one at a time.

First, it's nonsense that you're complaining that I've done nothing. In fact you compared me to yourself earlier. To be clear, you have not "done more" than I have this game, despite having several more posts. Especially past day 1. A quick glance over isos confirms this. If you're parroting what Dwlee and Brighter said then I have news for you: they also need to get over themselves.

Second, I don't see how my opinion on Todoraki after they already died was "tmi" or how me being "smug" makes me mafia.

Third, I made it clear that I believed Esther was town and IV was scum, and that I preferred to vote in the group of 6.

Fourth, my push on Dwlee was not 1-dimensional. I outlined reasons that they were scum and they "misremembered" things and only pushed for town.

Fifth, when I said you looked bad it was because you were forcing a narrative of the scum team being esther and myself at the deadline. Both of these votes were wrong, so yes, that does look bad. I dropped it and focused on Dwlee instead after you voted for IV.

[Dunnstral]

Save the Dragons also needs to explain how they ruled out Brighter Puppy, because they barely interacted with them or discussed them.

it just feels like the tryhardness is coming from a place of town

I don't buy that this earns a tr for the entire game

[Save The Dragons]

them beyond felt good

[Save The Dragons]

do you think it could be prism

[Dunnstral]

I can consider it if you explain how it can be them

[Save The Dragons]

i think someone who railroaded on todoraki could have known it was a mislim and kept it going with a pedantic argument especially with people sheeping them

then comes a calculated bus on D2, being steadfast on IV without even considering esther (actually you both were like that).

seeing an opportunity to ride on town cred, prism hammers innocent dwlee ending discussion and preventing any second thought from those involved.

finally prism, despite being so town read, doesn't die. does things in the PT thread to make brighter puppy look more town so it makes sense for them to be the kill instead despite their dissonance.

i want to go deeper but i haven't done that quite yet. the point is i can see a web of red strings on a billboard with prism's name on an index card circled in sharpie with ???? after it.

because despite what you've said it just seems more likely it's you

[Prism]

if i were scum i would have been like "obv

dunnstralscum is obv even Brighter Puppy said so

even Prism said so everyone says so must be true"

finally prism, despite being so town read, doesn't die. does things in the PT thread to make brighter puppy look more town so it makes sense for them to be the kill instead

despite their dissonance.

?

This seems to imply you are aware that Brighter was split on the final scum rather than united on Dunnstral.

[Dunnstral]

seeing an opportunity to ride on town cred, prism hammers innocent dwlee ending discussion and preventing any second thought from those involved.

I don't see why Prism needs to hammer Dwlee to end discussion. Or rather, how that benefits them.

then comes a calculated bus on D2, being steadfast on IV without even considering esther (actually you both were like that).

I don't think that this is true

[Dunnstral]

It seems like you have way more reasons to scumread Prism though than you do me, so it's weird that you keep going back to me being more likely. I disagree with things in both 1527 and 1533

[Save The Dragons]

if i were scum i would have been like "obv

dunnstralscum is obv even Brighter Puppy said so

even Prism said so everyone says so must be true"

finally prism, despite being so town read, doesn't die. does things in the PT thread to make brighter puppy look more town so it makes sense for them to be the kill instead

despite their dissonance.

?

This seems to imply you are aware that Brighter was split on the final scum rather than united on Dunnstral.

one of the heads said so

[Save The Dragons]

It seems like you have way more reasons to scumread Prism though than you do me

[Save The Dragons]

Esther looks like town and you don't. They had effort posts that looked good while you didn't have much. Inside the neighborhood I mentioned your progression early on who you were voting and what you were arguing for being weird.

you're right how silly of me there's a complete read scum couldn't have served this up

how come IV's progression is weird but esther's "i wanna vote from the smaller pool" "vote: STD" is not weird (or if it is why did you only mention IV)

[Dunnstral]

What are you referring to from esther?

[Save The Dragons]

i was thinking about the kill, in the pt thread brighter was of two minds and could have been swayed one way or another but prism suggested dunnstral. how does scum!dunnstral know prism and i don't just dunk on him right away when he could have made a case to brighter

[Save The Dragons]

i think we eliminate from the smaller pool first? higher accuracy means we can build associations with fewer miselims, yeah?

VOTE: todokori

my main concern right now is that 1/6 is a ridiculously low hit rate, and the associative advantages being listed dont actually matter unless we stick a wagon on scum. we dont know who's unwilling to bus unless we wagon scum d1 -- so in practice, this is just the d1 autowin scenario (it's only different if someone's heavily wagonned d1 but doesnt flip until later, and their refusing-to-bus buddy hasnt been eliminated in the interim).

a lot of the setup spec in the first game is pretty weird (not in that any of it's bad, just in that the two major arguments dont really engage with each other very much); but imo the key point is bingle's comment, "If we lim in the small pool we NEVER have conftown in 5p."

UNVOTE:
VOTE: save the dragons

also i think dunn's town

[Dunnstral]

I don't see that as a weird progression. The last game was linked and they pointed to new evidence they found that suggests something different and changed their stance.

IV was pushing one group but voting in the other.

[Save The Dragons]

It's not Puppies or Faker

but does IV forget who his scumparter is in this game?

[Save The Dragons]

12 hrs later

UNVOTE:
VOTE: todoroki

Quote tag fixed (vote tag was playing havoc) -Pav

[Save The Dragons]

doesn't that seem

weird

to you

[Dunnstral]

I didn't take note of that and I don't think anybody pointed that out while they were still alive.

[Prism]

The reason for her swithback was tucked away at the bottom of the next post, 252, when I pointed out to her that having a clear in 5 is significantly less important than guaranteeing you never wind up in a 5 way ELO at all.

[Prism]

Reviewing the dead is a very split jury.

Kuriyama seemed to lean dwlee, esther seemed to lean dwlee, notsci had me/Dwlee then Dunn, Lukewarm had Dwlee/STD then Dunn but also fearyeet me if town had an extra elim, dwlee had Dunnstral, Norwegian had Dragons, Firebringer seemed pretty set on Dunnstral.

The lesson here is obviously never listen to Kuriyama.