open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I mean

Rereading is generally detrimental to most people

[Alyssa The Lamb]

No I just generally don't think I'm very accurate and rereading tends to be actively detrimental to my reads, contrary to popular wisdom

How do you generally get your reads

Like what type of logic

[catboi]

No I just generally don't think I'm very accurate and rereading tends to be actively detrimental to my reads, contrary to popular wisdom

How do you generally get your reads

Like what type of logic

In terms of process it depends, because I change up my playstyle. Originally thi account waskind of meant to try to be more analytical where as peta I was very gut-based and aggressive and it wore me out. I try to play more observational, hang back, look at what someone is saying, if I believe it makes sense as coming from a town mindset I file them away as town, if the stuff they're saying is suspect/doesn't make sense I vote them and push on them. I tend to be fairly reticent in townreading people becaue I usually want to get those right and I might not verbalize a read until I'm fully comfortable with it. I might if I don't have leads go back into someone's ISO and look at their body of work to see if there's a believable amount of scumhunting going on, if that person looks like they're actively trying to figure things out or if they're posting words that aren't going anywhere. In a late game spot I probably just try to find a single solid townread and vote the person I think is most likely to be scum. I actively try to avoid team solving.

Lately I've been trying more to just hang back and follow others because I feel better playing a supporting role rather than trying to take command of the game myself, so if someone I townread has a strong read I'll just sheep it. That's something I've been trying recently because I had 3 consecutive games where I misvoted in ELO and basically decided my own instincts aren't worth a shit anymore. Otherwise normally in this situation I'd be ISO dicing everyone and looking at their approach to the confired scum in Enchant but I'm genuinely not sure it'd be helpful.


It's a lot harder actually typing it out trying to explain it than actually doing it.

[schadd_]

they stepped over the ribs

vote count 4.2 !

Enchant (2):

catboi, Mare,

catboi (1):

Enchant

not voting (5):

Something_Smart, Datisi, skitter30, Alyssa The Lamb, Kaiji

8 are alive, and it takes 5 votes to reevaluate someone's considerations. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-02-11 05:00:00)

other ideas

• did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays?
  
• did you know that datisi is vla on tuesdays and thursdays?

[skitter30]

Ok so we've used half our time today

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Ok

Catboi

The scumteam don't need to do any gymnastics to win from this stage, almost every possible scumteam would simplify what they want to do in order to ensure they get that one inevitable game winning elim

So does anything change with that info, especially since that doesn't mean they necessarily have to search for it today?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Ftr from your POV, looking at how people are treating your 1v1 is probably going to be the best way to get accurate reads since that's the thing you uniquely know the answer of and simultaneously the thing that town and mafia have different levels of knowledge on

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'd argue that Datisi is really obvious scum from that mindset but I won't explain why in case you're able to figure that out yourself

[Kaiji]

decided i wont towncase myself today because i feel the tide has turned against scum!skitter and that i am in the pool of likely nightkills now and thus making myself look more viable is better for the gamestate ya yeet.

i wont be voting enchant to end day but whoever is ready can go ahead - people who are likely to die should be the ones voting tho.

i really do recommend leaving behind like final thoughts on gamestate.


i know many don't - but I tend to respect dead player's reads - at the very least their ~townreads~.

[Something_Smart]

people who are likely to die should be the ones voting tho.

Why is this

[Datisi]

haha, 4 days and 20 hours left on the timer.

have we moved anywhere? no? alyssa still setting me up as a misyeet? ok call me when something happens

[skitter30]

There are 2 key reasons i believed mena:
1)i thought pooky was towny
2) i thought catboiwas thumb twiddling to make the pressure stay away

Ok can you elaborate on the 'pooky was townie' bit, and where you were thinking that yesterday?

[Kaiji]

I feel that in a scum datisi world I end up being dead.


alyssa's posts have increased my overall morale for this game in terms of confidence but it has reduced my wim to prove myself town since - yeah there is less need to do that if people *are* seeing it.


I think that - despite being wrong - i've demonstrated a very consistent lack of TMI on the gamestate. I have some points from skitter herself she made in favor of me I will be digging up and seeing if she tries to discard them now that I'm a targeted mislim.
I think also my lack of WIM is due to just .. no one else really caring to post and I only feel a want to post when others are because I feel like I'm going to further push people away if I'm here posting alone, even though I have been already multiple times.

I'd like to interrogate datisi in the next dayphase after we lim enchant about their reads.

If the scenario where I *am* fearkilled occurs here - I'm hard tabling Alyssa from being eliminated. I won't be hard pressing yall to get skitter out - but I think it doesnt take a genius to figure out who would make a kill if they think they're the one more at danger there.

Make sure to have a thorough discussion before placing any votes - and anyone who *does* place a vote early should be met with heavy suspicion. Mlimlo is the time for reevaluation and reflection on the game as a whole and to holistically analyze *everything*. I have never won a scumgame where I am the one alive in limlo by allowing town to do this step - so me pushing for this to be done should be lowkey indicative of me being town(that being said I am fine breaking meta all the time so you're just taking a shortcut here if doing so - but it'll pass today. The day I do 100% break this meta is probably when my scummates are in an incredible position/really horrible position or town has played completely bad / aren't going to look into me as deep).

Overall it makes no sense for me to treat enchant's slot the way I have if I'm informed of him being my scum partner. If I'm scum here - D2 is my powerwolf day and then D3 I would attempt to sneak into deepwolf. I already had a preexisting FOS on the mena slot before they claimed -> switching my read there just tanks my towncred and does nothing for the gamestate. I don't take detours that large when its that close to being able to endgame. I'd probably be more like Skitter is acting here and try to push through a no lim. Granted - yes - you could say that is exactly what I did but I genuinely wanted to lim catboi over enchant and I simply lost track of the deadline. I have had that happen to me before(as town, no less).

[Kaiji]

Also skitter - no offense but I have decided to pull the old town trick from my EM roots of ignoring my scumreads. Case me and I might rebut your points. But questions from you no longer get answered unless another person asks me too.

To me, your goal is blatant - to get me to make some sort of awkward slip up that can be weaponized as a gotcha. Asking questions repeatedly that were already answered.

[Kaiji]

haha, 4 days and 20 hours left on the timer.

have we moved anywhere? no? alyssa still setting me up as a misyeet? ok call me when something happens

Alyssa is blatantly more town than you so perhaps tell us why you think she is scum here

[Kaiji]

Alyssa bleeds a complex mindset that is examining the lens from a critical point of view - while I believe alyssa when she says she is a strong scum player, I do not think her read on me is TMI nor is how she is approaching this game. This has been her consistent energy since replacing in and her progression has been natural from the point of view of a player who is always up to date with the game they are playing.

[skitter30]

demonstrated a very consistent lack of TMI on the gamestate. I have some points from skitter herself she made in favor of me I will be digging up and seeing if she tries to discard them now that I'm a targeted mislim.
I think also my lack of WIM is due to just .. no one else really caring to post and I only feel a want to post when others are because I feel like I'm going to further push people away if I'm here posting alone, even though I have been already multiple times.

You arent a dedicated misflip, but noting the shade
I would be shocked if you died tonight
You keep complaining that nobody is posting when we're waiting for you to do whatever you wanted to do
I never got a satisfactory explanation for your trajectory yesterday

Pedit yeah i see rbat and its incredibly frustrating

Alyssa can you ask kaiji why he was pushing yo flip catboi yesterday? Ty

Also you didnt answer my questions, and i keep asking because i really, really hate being ignored

[Kaiji]

Also skitter - no offense but I have decided to pull the old town trick from my EM roots of ignoring my scumreads. Case me and I might rebut your points. But questions from you no longer get answered unless another person asks me too.

To me, your goal is blatant - to get me to make some sort of awkward slip up that can be weaponized as a gotcha. Asking questions repeatedly that were already answered.

To add on to this - I won't give you a nice easy way to give off the appearance of solving/scumhunting by asking only questions and offering 0 analysis.

Step up or step in the ring. Your move.

[skitter30]

I also dont think you *have* a reason to scumread me, you just decided this was a good push for you

Pedit i think if you're town you're making this game abt 19 billion times harder than it needs to be rn

You backed the wrong side of a 1v1 yestersay
You dont, and as far as i can tell never did, have an explanation for doing so

And i'm flabbergasted that everyone is just ok with that

[Datisi]

Alyssa bleeds a complex mindset that is examining the lens from a critical point of view

if i ask you to explain this, you're just gonna say "read my iso then ask better questions" so i don't really feel like answering further than "her read bad lol"

[skitter30]

Your whole day today has been so .... disappointing for what you were promising at daystart

Pedit yeah seriously

[Datisi]

i was gonna start townreading kaiji when they started saying how they will play as town them has in the past by tryharding and whatever, but then they DIDN'T do that so nvm

[skitter30]

And i'm floored that we're all just nodding along and thinking that kaiji's play today is, like, not scummy

[Datisi]

i'm just waiting for when we stop pretending we're gonna solve anything so that i can vote enchant without looking like i'm scum trying to cut the discussion short

[Kaiji]

i was gonna start townreading kaiji when they started saying how they will play as town them has in the past by tryharding and whatever, but then they DIDN'T do that so nvm

Do you think I have had no reasons that I could not do this? This is a trick question - there is only 1 answer and I know you and I know the answer to this.