open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

Their defense of enchant yesterday was awful
Their entry today was awful
The way they're playing today is awful + basically killing time intil nobody is motivated to push them anymore + blatantly out of touch with the gamestate + blatantly buddying alyssa

And like ... nobody seems to care or mind ...

[Kaiji]

Scumcase against me: I pushed catboi over enchant


i've seen better scumcases in newbies, and the players presenting this have BoP

i do love when scum tell on themselves.

[Datisi]

you could've skipped townspewing your 600+ post iso and just written out a coherent trajectory on enchant!slot because that's the biggest issue, but considering you didn't even try to do that, i'm not gonna buy a "i was too busy" excuse

[skitter30]

You're frustrating me greatly rn

And that's a gross reduction of what i've been saying

[skitter30]

Scumcase against me: I pushed catboi over enchant


i've seen better scumcases in newbies, and the players presenting this have BoP :)

i do love when scum tell on themselves.

My issue is not inherently that you were pushing catboi, my issue is that it you dont have a decent explanation for *why* you were doing that, so it looks really darn partner-y because as best as i can tell, you were pushing catnoi over enchant for no reason

If there was a townie mindset for that, you've failed to both displau it yesterday or explain it today

And i object to the strawman, especially sincr i'm p sure you know that's a strawman

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Kaiji my main doubt about you is that you're saying all this about me when you were pushing me as scum yesterday too

It really is probably just better to go into your thought process changes yesterday since it would address both of these, and it would give the others more to get reads off of since they'll probably be the main ones having to decide this

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I independently have thoughts about that

But I don't see value in outing then immediately until after this is resolved

[Kaiji]

Their defense of enchant yesterday was awful
Their entry today was awful
The way they're playing today is awful + basically killing time intil nobody is motivated to push them anymore + blatantly out of touch with the gamestate + blatantly buddying alyssa

And like ... nobody seems to care or mind ...

Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating "awful" multiple times.

This is not a player trying to solve my alignment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative.

My defense was incorrect- albeit in good faith of how *I* was reading the game at the time. Town is fully capable of making mistakes and having the wrong read.

My entry? - It was a normal entry. Skitter won't even quote it or explain anything about it, because she is probably planning on taking catboi to final 6 and reuse this because catboi said something about my entry.


The way I'm playing? Yeah no - Leaving room for discussion is *not* in my scum strategy box. If there's a compelling case against me - there is more than enough posts from me that should be usable against me.

But also something skitter said - it makes me feel datisi *may* be town. I will ellaborate on it once we see what the nightkill is.

[Kaiji]

Kaiji my main doubt about you is that you're saying all this about me when you were pushing me as scum yesterday too

It really is probably just better to go into your thought process changes yesterday since it would address both of these, and it would give the others more to get reads off of since they'll probably be the main ones having to decide this

it's hard for me to just ... do it on my own, I do well when people query me on specific things because uhh yeah i posted a lot and it is a daunting task and all.

It would help to have a whole list of what things would need to be answered so I can kill all birds with one explaination post.


I like to be *thorough* so its like frustrating trying to do an ultimate self case when I know people are just looking at certain things as evidence I need to disprove.

[Kaiji]

You're frustrating me greatly rn

And that's a gross reduction of what i've been saying

I'm sorry that your scum tricks don't work against my slot - I sympathize since in my recent completed games I had to deal with a few slots that didn't fall for some of my tricks myself. But remember, you just need to convince *2 townies* and catboi is already convinced mostly so gl gl

[skitter30]

Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating "awful" multiple times.

This is not a player trying to solve my alignment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative.

Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating 'skitter is scim' multiple times

This is not a player trying to solve my aligbment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative

~

I can throw this right back at you, stop acting all holier than thou like you've got a great scumcase on me that's more than just 'skitter is scum' because that's apparently conveninwnt for you to push rn

You're ignoring that i've already laid out my issues with your play today (which you've never addressed), and are curiouslu not calling dats or catboi scum for making the same exact points as me, for no reason other than it doesnt fit your agenda apparently

This reads like baseless nonsense

[Kaiji]

Man I've seen so many town players who I respect kill their scumreads with civility and a calm tone and I've waited to use this tactic for a long time.

This actually feels kinda awesome.

[Kaiji]

you could've skipped townspewing your 600+ post iso and just written out a coherent trajectory on enchant!slot because that's the biggest issue, but considering you didn't even try to do that, i'm not gonna buy a "i was too busy" excuse

Hey datisi - you know I was too busy.

(:

[Datisi]

too busy to go through the clusterfuck that is your entire iso and point out every single trajectory you had? definitely

too busy to take 15 minutes at most to explain why your reads on enchant slot were what they were throughout the whole game? idk

[Something_Smart]

I've only made one post in the last two days and Koba won't even answer it smh

[skitter30]

My defense was incorrect- albeit in good faith of how *I* was reading the game at the time. Town is fully capable of making mistakes and having the wrong read.

My entry? - It was a normal entry. Skitter won't even quote it or explain anything about it, because she is probably planning on taking catboi to final 6 and reuse this because catboi said something about my entry.

- explain why it makes sense with how you were readong the game at the time. This is all i (and dats and catboi and now alyssa) want out of you

- i already explained why i disliked your entry 6444. Again noting that catboi made the exact same point in 6449 (5 posts later than me), which you responded to and addressed, but somehow when i make the same point prior to him i nevee explained my thought process. This, if anything, is twisting the timeline, as catboi repeated my point, i didnt repeat his ...

[skitter30]

Kaiji my main doubt about you is that you're saying all this about me when you were pushing me as scum yesterday too

It really is probably just better to go into your thought process changes yesterday since it would address both of these, and it would give the others more to get reads off of since they'll probably be the main ones having to decide this

it's hard for me to just ... do it on my own, I do well when people query me on specific things because uhh yeah i posted a lot and it is a daunting task and all.

It would help to have a whole list of what things would need to be answered so I can kill all birds with one explaination post.


I like to be *thorough* so its like frustrating trying to do an ultimate self case when I know people are just looking at certain things as evidence I need to disprove.

Whooo massive tone shift here and also not answering the question

@ alyssa can you explicitly ask kaiji why they were trying to get catboi flipped yesterday

[Kaiji]

Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating "awful" multiple times.

This is not a player trying to solve my alignment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative.

Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating 'skitter is scim' multiple times

This is not a player trying to solve my aligbment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative

~

I can throw this right back at you, stop acting all holier than thou like you've got a great scumcase on me that's more than just 'skitter is scum' because that's apparently conveninwnt for you to push rn

You're ignoring that i've already laid out my issues with your play today (which you've never addressed), and are curiouslu not calling dats or catboi scum for making the same exact points as me, for no reason other than it doesnt fit your agenda apparently

This reads like baseless nonsense

Please keep instigating me - I've lacked the WIM to go through your ISO and case you for a while and it's been itching at me.

The scumcase is more of things you *lack* in your posts which is hard to quanitfy - something players who aren't straight up garbage as scum are able to do, lie by omission - and my main case is that your ISO *lacks* analysis and critical thinking that you display as town. I have no issues with my play and you know very well I'm well within my townrange (:

Also - I do please invite you to give proof of catboi and datisi making the same posts as you. (meanwhile I am seeing what alyssa is seeing now from datisi). Catboi is approaching this with honesty and has ceded lack of confidence after I provided counterevidence(he won't argue back and forth with me beacuse last time we were both town and I tried to argue myself into why I was town he just kinda dug himself deeper into the conclusion I was scum rofl). You can claim something different is the same by removing nuance and critical thought but it won't change reality <3

[Kaiji]

Kaiji my main doubt about you is that you're saying all this about me when you were pushing me as scum yesterday too

It really is probably just better to go into your thought process changes yesterday since it would address both of these, and it would give the others more to get reads off of since they'll probably be the main ones having to decide this

it's hard for me to just ... do it on my own, I do well when people query me on specific things because uhh yeah i posted a lot and it is a daunting task and all.

It would help to have a whole list of what things would need to be answered so I can kill all birds with one explaination post.


I like to be *thorough* so its like frustrating trying to do an ultimate self case when I know people are just looking at certain things as evidence I need to disprove.

Whooo massive tone shift here and also not answering the question

@ alyssa can you explicitly ask kaiji why they were trying to get catboi flipped yesterday

"massive tone shift"

*does not explain how the tone shifts*

[skitter30]

You're being conciliatory towards alyssa
Not sure why you need me to explicitly say it since its blatantly obvious

[Kaiji]

people who are likely to die should be the ones voting tho.

Why is this

because their input is valuable and also a confirmed town POV is valuable

[Something_Smart]

Oh so the point is the PoE people shouldn't end the day before the consensus town (or however close we're going to get) can say their piece?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Kaiji

I know we're not doing this today but until we actually do enchant

I think i'm ignoring kaiji now as this is just frustrating me and doesnt seem to be convincing anyone rn anyways

But again i'm literally floored that everyone is just giving them a free pass for yesterday and today

[skitter30]

This game has just been going on for eons and its been so impossible to make *anything* happen and now it just ugh

[Kaiji]

Oh so the point is the PoE people shouldn't end the day before the consensus town (or however close we're going to get) can say their piece?

exactly.

but at this point it kinda feels meh because scum are trying to run interference as much as possible whenever people try to start having conversations.
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as soon as alyssa and I are talking in thread - its suddenly datisi and skitter here to derail.

meh fuck this i'm going through skitter's iso and the game at large rofl.