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[House]

Up!

[MathBlade]

@Datisi -> If you’re online I would love your answer too.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

This is not a nonsensical line if you actually understood what I meant (which obviously you could have asked about). Math has basically said a variation of this today as well, but you’re not accusing them of saying something nonsensical. That line doesn’t mean to say that IV has guided the Town this game

in previous days

. It just means that we should listen to them

today

.

Anyway, I’ll vote whatever Math + IV conclude is the right call then. That includes voting for myself if that’s the decision that’s arrived at. I haven’t read what I wanted to yet - but I did feel like I needed to respond to this nonsense.

[MathBlade]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

This is not a nonsensical line if you actually understood what I meant (which obviously you could have asked about). Math has basically said a variation of this today as well, but you’re not accusing them of saying something nonsensical. That line doesn’t mean to say that IV has guided the Town this game

in previous days

. It just means that we should listen to them

today

.

Anyway, I’ll vote whatever Math + IV conclude is the right call then. That includes voting for myself if that’s the decision that’s arrived at. I haven’t read what I wanted to yet - but I did feel like I needed to respond to this nonsense.

Why would you be willing to vote yourself?

[Aristeia]

um if you're town voting for yourself is like literally game throwing?

[Aristeia]

I don't understand why we would blindly sheep someone who is not engaged with the game and is not really participating regardless of whether they are or are not a confirmed innocent.

[Aristeia]

I'd be much more willing to sheep mathblade than IV because at least mathblade is playing the game atp.

[MathBlade]

um if you're town voting for yourself is like literally game throwing?

I think I get what he’s getting at but I kinda want him to explain it a different way to be sure. Because if he is he’s thinking similar to me in another game and I think I can work with that.

[Aristeia]

ok you do your magic

[MathBlade]

ok you do your magic

More like resetting reads for the billionth time and slow crawl.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

This is not a nonsensical line if you actually understood what I meant (which obviously you could have asked about). Math has basically said a variation of this today as well, but you’re not accusing them of saying something nonsensical. That line doesn’t mean to say that IV has guided the Town this game

in previous days

. It just means that we should listen to them

today

.

Anyway, I’ll vote whatever Math + IV conclude is the right call then. That includes voting for myself if that’s the decision that’s arrived at. I haven’t read what I wanted to yet - but I did feel like I needed to respond to this nonsense.

Why would you be willing to vote yourself?

It’s simple - I want to win. But I also understand that I can’t do what Frogsterking did. I can’t sit here and pollute the thread and kick and scream to avoid my execution for a loss (which has never happened at this stage of the game before) if both of the voices I think are far more likely to be Town are pushing in that direction. It is not realistic. I’m in the POE. My voice and arguments are going to be considered, but not fully taken at face value. For good reason. And I don’t want to use emotional arguments to defend my standing in the game.

[House]

um if you're town voting for yourself is like literally game throwing?

You mean like that thing Nero did?

[House]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

This is not a nonsensical line if you actually understood what I meant (which obviously you could have asked about). Math has basically said a variation of this today as well, but you’re not accusing them of saying something nonsensical. That line doesn’t mean to say that IV has guided the Town this game

in previous days

. It just means that we should listen to them

today

.

Anyway, I’ll vote whatever Math + IV conclude is the right call then. That includes voting for myself if that’s the decision that’s arrived at. I haven’t read what I wanted to yet - but I did feel like I needed to respond to this nonsense.

Why would you be willing to vote yourself?

It’s simple - I want to win. But I also understand that I can’t do what Frogsterking did. I can’t sit here and pollute the thread and kick and scream to avoid my execution for a loss (which has never happened at this stage of the game before) if both of the voices I think are far more likely to be Town are pushing in that direction. It is not realistic. I’m in the POE. My voice and arguments are going to be considered, but not fully taken at face value. For good reason. And I don’t want to use emotional arguments to defend my standing in the game.

I don't believe you're town.

If we mislim today, game over.

You're saying this because you know the game won't end with your death.

[Andresvmb]

So if you and IV end up both thinking I’m the correct vote for today after thinking through it, then I don’t have the time to argue with the both of you. So you have to do your homework. The solution from my perspective seems somewhat straightforward. It sucks because I’ve defended both Aristeia and Datisi and now I’m having to completely reset my view of the game and try to argue against something I actually believed in for days. So it’s not like this is a fun exercise for me.

[MathBlade]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

This is not a nonsensical line if you actually understood what I meant (which obviously you could have asked about). Math has basically said a variation of this today as well, but you’re not accusing them of saying something nonsensical. That line doesn’t mean to say that IV has guided the Town this game

in previous days

. It just means that we should listen to them

today

.

Anyway, I’ll vote whatever Math + IV conclude is the right call then. That includes voting for myself if that’s the decision that’s arrived at. I haven’t read what I wanted to yet - but I did feel like I needed to respond to this nonsense.

Why would you be willing to vote yourself?

It’s simple - I want to win. But I also understand that I can’t do what Frogsterking did. I can’t sit here and pollute the thread and kick and scream to avoid my execution for a loss (which has never happened at this stage of the game before) if both of the voices I think are far more likely to be Town are pushing in that direction. It is not realistic. I’m in the POE. My voice and arguments are going to be considered, but not fully taken at face value. For good reason. And I don’t want to use emotional arguments to defend my standing in the game.

You’re either town or are damn good at mirroring my thoughts when I replaced into a recent game.

So I think the only way you’re scum is with Datisi or Ari and not House because Ari referenced that game and Datisi iirc was in it but House wouldn’t know that game. You seem way too busy to go have looked up that game on your own if faking it.

So I think that eliminates Andres House as a team.

[MathBlade]

So if you and IV end up both thinking I’m the correct vote for today after thinking through it, then I don’t have the time to argue with the both of you. So you have to do your homework. The solution from my perspective seems somewhat straightforward. It sucks because I’ve defended both Aristeia and Datisi and now I’m having to completely reset my view of the game and try to argue against something I actually believed in for days. So it’s not like this is a fun exercise for me.

Well then let’s talk about it for a second.

On D2 and D3 I pushed Ari/Datisi for a good portion of those days.

What do you think happened there?

[Andresvmb]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

This is not a nonsensical line if you actually understood what I meant (which obviously you could have asked about). Math has basically said a variation of this today as well, but you’re not accusing them of saying something nonsensical. That line doesn’t mean to say that IV has guided the Town this game

in previous days

. It just means that we should listen to them

today

.

Anyway, I’ll vote whatever Math + IV conclude is the right call then. That includes voting for myself if that’s the decision that’s arrived at. I haven’t read what I wanted to yet - but I did feel like I needed to respond to this nonsense.

Why would you be willing to vote yourself?

It’s simple - I want to win. But I also understand that I can’t do what Frogsterking did. I can’t sit here and pollute the thread and kick and scream to avoid my execution for a loss (which has never happened at this stage of the game before) if both of the voices I think are far more likely to be Town are pushing in that direction. It is not realistic. I’m in the POE. My voice and arguments are going to be considered, but not fully taken at face value. For good reason. And I don’t want to use emotional arguments to defend my standing in the game.

I don't believe you're town.

If we mislim today, game over.

You're saying this because you know the game won't end with your death.

House you’ve been arguing the same thing over and over this whole game. I am too tired to have this debate with you, and I don’t care what you think. Oh it’s game throwing therefore it’s coming from Scum. Yeah because Scum operate that way. Like what?!

You know what’s really easy for me to do as Scum here? Just shut up and push a slot in the POE rather mindlessly, and not engage in any other speculation. I have given you a complete view of the game, why, and what I need to do to ensure that I’m not ignoring any blind spots. Just you do you and I’ll do me and if it wins, great. I’m not going to fight like I did with Pooky only to have to take a breather for two weeks again.

[MathBlade]

um if you're town voting for yourself is like literally game throwing?

You mean like that thing Nero did?

I agree this was horrible. But we’re not bringing the thread down into negativity here.

Report it (if you feel it was gamethrowing) and move on.

[House]

Oh it’s game throwing therefore it’s coming from Scum.

It wouldn't be gamethrowing as scum. Just a setback.

[Andresvmb]

So if you and IV end up both thinking I’m the correct vote for today after thinking through it, then I don’t have the time to argue with the both of you. So you have to do your homework. The solution from my perspective seems somewhat straightforward. It sucks because I’ve defended both Aristeia and Datisi and now I’m having to completely reset my view of the game and try to argue against something I actually believed in for days. So it’s not like this is a fun exercise for me.

Well then let’s talk about it for a second.

On D2 and D3 I pushed Ari/Datisi for a good portion of those days.

What do you think happened there?

If you think about it strategically, the Frogsterking slot needed to die to arrive at a situation where the Scum had a shot at winning the game at this stage. Frogsterking was a massive proponent of having Datisi executed, and switched their view of the game to argue against Aristeia. That clearly was a huge issue for the Team. Because Frogsterking was pushing me hard and that was probably okay for a bit, but then once Frogsterking sort of switched their perspective, they were buried.

[MathBlade]

So if you and IV end up both thinking I’m the correct vote for today after thinking through it, then I don’t have the time to argue with the both of you. So you have to do your homework. The solution from my perspective seems somewhat straightforward. It sucks because I’ve defended both Aristeia and Datisi and now I’m having to completely reset my view of the game and try to argue against something I actually believed in for days. So it’s not like this is a fun exercise for me.

Well then let’s talk about it for a second.

On D2 and D3 I pushed Ari/Datisi for a good portion of those days.

What do you think happened there?

If you think about it strategically, the Frogsterking slot needed to die to arrive at a situation where the Scum had a shot at winning the game at this stage. Frogsterking was a massive proponent of having Datisi executed, and switched their view of the game to argue against Aristeia. That clearly was a huge issue for the Team. Because Frogsterking was pushing me hard and that was probably okay for a bit, but then once Frogsterking sort of switched their perspective, they were buried.

Uhm? Not what I asked?

I agree Frogger needed to be elimmed for scum I just think it was one of the few miselims they had to avoid eating their own snake.

Can you please reread the question?

[Andresvmb]

I’m not sure what you’re asking then. Rephrase the question.

[Andresvmb]

Like what is it that you want my perspective on? Whether Datisi and Aristeia’s reactions to your push D2/D3 conclusively point anywhere? Because if you’re asking me why I didn’t listen to you when you were arguing for their heads, the answer is because I’m stubborn, and I thought you were being stubborn.

[MathBlade]

I don't think VPB claimed PR if that's what you think he did

No, but he softed the shit out of it.

i really REALLY don't think baltar of either alignment goes from "kill a50" to "a50 is conftown" without some sort of mech info, and i don't think this is exactly rocket surgery for scum to figure out either, which is why i'm fine talking about it with this level of openness

Sure, let's be absolutely clear: i received information last night. A50 is town. I won't be discussing the way that information came to me because scum trying to actually figure it out is an exercise in futility. I chose to release said info to stop a wasted discussion about a50 and to completely flip the script on any narratives scum wanted to open today with.

The fact multiple people came out today with "let's sheep Koba, vote:vp!" shows scum could have easily come into today pushing a couple easy misyeets had I not turned that plan on its head.

Agreed. Ari fits the bill as busser and opening up on VFP and has seemingly been trying to pocket Dat. I want to see more from Ari.

Like I kinda feel an Ari/Andres flip.

Have you actually read the game mathblade?

I mean on D2 I was feeling you and Ari. Ari immediately asked me if I read and kept saying how mafia isn’t probability.

On D3 I was suspicious of Dat. And got similar laughter (or teasing or what not) for that suspicion.

What do you make of those events?

[MathBlade]

Yes it’s an open ended untargeted question. How unMathy of me