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[Aristeia]

um if you're town voting for yourself is like literally game throwing?

You mean like that thing Nero did?

it is different when you do it at melo/elo

[Aristeia]

If you think about it strategically, the Frogsterking slot needed to die to arrive at a situation where the Scum had a shot at winning the game at this stage. Frogsterking was a massive proponent of having Datisi executed, and switched their view of the game to argue against Aristeia. That clearly was a huge issue for the Team. Because Frogsterking was pushing me hard and that was probably okay for a bit, but then once Frogsterking sort of switched their perspective, they were buried.

what's your 2 scum solve again?

[MathBlade]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

[MathBlade]

If you think about it strategically, the Frogsterking slot needed to die to arrive at a situation where the Scum had a shot at winning the game at this stage. Frogsterking was a massive proponent of having Datisi executed, and switched their view of the game to argue against Aristeia. That clearly was a huge issue for the Team. Because Frogsterking was pushing me hard and that was probably okay for a bit, but then once Frogsterking sort of switched their perspective, they were buried.

what's your 2 scum solve again?

Garcia since it’s fact only and I quoted it recently You and Datisi.

[Andresvmb]

What do you make of those events?

I’ll focus on what you’re describing as Aristeia’s reaction first, because I think that one is most important.

Derision is a powerful defensive tool. Making you feel like you’re silly and therefore wrong is an excellent way of getting you to reevaluate without having to do too much work. Now, I think Datisi and to a lesser extent Aristeia have put a lot of effort into the game. Which is why I want to be careful here. I mean this specifically in that if you don’t think you can constructively engage with another person’s POV, instead of spending a tremendous amount of time trying to convince them to look at the game in the way you want or need them to, you sideline them. Town do this too though. So that isn’t specifically a way to sort them. Look at how Koba plays as Town generally, and even here.

The point? No one individually regardless of alignment is going to roll over and simply agree with you that they’re Scum. And deriding your argument against them is just a way we can all react, especially out of frustration. Aristeia for example was clearly frustrated with you at times, and made some really incisive comments about how you’ve screwed up before and refuse to change. I would be careful to rely on that for a conclusion.

[Aristeia]

I think if me/dats are scum together we probably just elim andres yesterday instead of fighting frogster? it seems much easier and cleaner of a kill

[MathBlade]

house is town

if house is fakeclaiming and willing to throw the game though and IV isn't really a mason ill be really pissed

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On thing is for sure RTP is probably pissed. *chuckle*

[Andresvmb]

I think if me/dats are scum together we probably just elim andres yesterday instead of fighting frogster? it seems much easier and cleaner of a kill

Don’t you need Frogsterking dead anyway? This is just not true. Alternatively I could have pushed you or something and that would have been easier for me too. If you want to argue what’s easier, any one of us going against Frogsterking wasn’t the way to go, clearly. It’s not like I didn’t face a constant barrage of nonsense from them.

[Aristeia]

I think if me/dats are scum together we probably just elim andres yesterday instead of fighting frogster? it seems much easier and cleaner of a kill

Don’t you need Frogsterking dead anyway? This is just not true. Alternatively I could have pushed you or something and that would have been easier for me too. If you want to argue what’s easier, any one of us going against Frogsterking wasn’t the way to go, clearly. It’s not like I didn’t face a constant barrage of nonsense from them.

Wouldn't it be much easier to just sheep Frogster, let him kill you and then push frogster today if I'm scum with dats?

[Aristeia]

I'm not like amazing at scum or anything but I usually take the easiest path available to me.

I don't burn towncred to push someone who's already townreading me ? Like what's even the point?

[Aristeia]

house is town

if house is fakeclaiming and willing to throw the game though and IV isn't really a mason ill be really pissed

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On thing is for sure RTP is probably pissed. *chuckle*

Yes he will be mad at me even if we somehow win this game ~_~

[Aristeia]

I mean they ~_~

[Andresvmb]

I'm not like amazing at scum or anything but I usually take the easiest path available to me.

I don't burn towncred to push someone who's already townreading me ? Like what's even the point?

You do realize that Frogsterking started arguing against me hard only as a result of me pushing them first right? They even tried to discount how OMGUS’y they were being, and immediately used my arguments against them to form a wrong view of the game. So aren’t you answering your own question? Wouldn’t it have been easier for me to try and pocket them, sit back, and watch them push whatever else?

[Aristeia]

I'm not like amazing at scum or anything but I usually take the easiest path available to me.

I don't burn towncred to push someone who's already townreading me ? Like what's even the point?

You do realize that Frogsterking started arguing against me hard only as a result of me pushing them first right? They even tried to discount how OMGUS’y they were being, and immediately used my arguments against them to form a wrong view of the game. So aren’t you answering your own question? Wouldn’t it have been easier for me to try and pocket them, sit back, and watch them push whatever else?

I don't understand this.

I'm saying it's fairly trivial for me as scum to simply let Frogster join SS/House and push you to death.

I don't really need to push frogster as he is townreading me.

[Aristeia]

You're asking me why you didn't pocket frogster yourself. That's not really something I would know?

[House]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

[Andresvmb]

VP inno'd A50 (which we now know is legit), of course he was the nk.

am i insane for thinking that baltar might be the nightkill and the outworld kill might be a vig shot? because it's either that, or baltar died visiting someone last night, and scum killed outworld, and like... i don't know why scum kills outworld there...

Wait seriously. I assumed right away VP lied about the inno and was the vig kill and OutworldER was the NK because scum read OutWorldER as pr. Sorry dats I guess you weren't insane for wondering (unless I am also insane.)

RTP said andres is supposed to be good in the endgame and gets fearkilled a lot and andres is wrong here so I'm just going to OMGus him.

VOTE: andres

I don't really buy his argument that he sees a scum motivation in those posts of mine he links, I think I look pretty townie aside from the skitter hammer.

VOTE: Andresvmb

You’ve been wrong all game and continue to be wrong.

@Frogsterking - I don’t think you’re Scum for OMGUS’ing me (I’m well beyond believing that only Scum do that), but your rationale for pushing me is absurd.

Like right here.

[Aristeia]

ok what's your point?

[Andresvmb]

I'm not like amazing at scum or anything but I usually take the easiest path available to me.

I don't burn towncred to push someone who's already townreading me ? Like what's even the point?

You do realize that Frogsterking started arguing against me hard only as a result of me pushing them first right? They even tried to discount how OMGUS’y they were being, and immediately used my arguments against them to form a wrong view of the game. So aren’t you answering your own question? Wouldn’t it have been easier for me to try and pocket them, sit back, and watch them push whatever else?

I don't understand this.

I'm saying it's fairly trivial for me as scum to simply let Frogster join SS/House and push you to death.

I don't really need to push frogster as he is townreading me.

I wasn’t in Frogsterking’s radar until I started pushing them. You’re saying you can just sheep them and push me over the edge. Okay, perhaps that’s true in a vacuum, but that would also apply to me too. I was also TR’ing you pretty strongly, and said so. So you probably don’t want me dead there just yet.

My Scum game has previously been described as somewhat shitty by other players, so not sure why you’re assuming I wouldn’t take the path of least resistance or wholesale avoid having a debate with a loud as shit player as Scum.

[Aristeia]

Like I'm saying me/dats if we are scum together as you say we are, we would just sheep frogster and push you dead yesterday because you are much easier path, barely there, and frogster thinks you are scum and there's two votes on you already not counting me/dats/frogster.

Your counterpoint seems to be "ok well then what about me pushing frog? I could easily not push frog too!" but that doesn't answer "who would you push in that position?"

[MathBlade]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

Can you describe why Ari fits into your pocket and warm fuzzies?

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

[Aristeia]

My Scum game has previously been described as somewhat shitty by other players, so not sure why you’re assuming I wouldn’t take the path of least resistance or wholesale avoid having a debate with a loud as shit player as Scum.

ok so what is path of least resistance for you? who is easier to push for you than frogster yesterday?

[Aristeia]

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I am not that scary mathblade

[House]

@House -> Do you townread Ari? Or do you think Dat+Andres is most likely? Why do you feel how you do?

Ari fits nicely in my pocket and gives me warm fuzzies.

Dats has little pointy things that jab me in the leg when I try to put them in my pocket.

I don't trust anyone that is supposedly "zomgexcellent" at endgame but doesn't contribute at all UNTIL endgame.

Can you describe why Ari fits into your pocket and warm fuzzies?

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I didn't say I was in hers.

I try to pocket players as both alignments. Scum tend to be more apprehensive of my blatant pocket attempts, in my experience.

[House]

I am kinda scared she might have you tribbled.

I am not that scary mathblade

Scary Ari wouldn't give me warm fuzzies.