Mizzytastic's Large Normal Review, February 2022

ISO · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:03 pm

Mizzytastic wrote:
In post 4532, Mizzytastic wrote:/in to mod large

currently modding a mini theme but I have the worst as a backup mod for this game
The setup is below, I'll post role pms and rules and stuff once the design thread is up. My rules will be pretty much the same as a previous normal so there shouldn't be much of an issue.

19 Players 14:5

Mafia Informed Neighbour (The traitor is bulletproof, and not a neighbour)
Mafia 4-Shot Follower
Mafia 2-Shot Alien
Mafia Goon
Mafia Bulletproof Traitor

Town Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town Ascetic Neighbour
Town Neighbour

Town Mason
Town Mason

Town Traffic Analyst
Town Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor, 2-Shot Vigilante (compulsive to either vend fruit or shoot, roaming only on the fruit vendor)
3-Shot Psychologist

6xVT

Balance tweeks

If it's too scum sided I feel like the best solution is making the traitor public information, or making the alien just a jailkeeper or even a doc. Alternatively getting rid of the ascetic.

If it's too townsided the place I'd start is making the psychologist have to act on later nights to up their potential misses, or just giving the vig one shot. Alternatively make the informed neighbour know about a town powerole as well as the traitor, or make one of the mafia power roles a neighbour instead of a town member (I want to keep at least one goon in this set up)

Variants

I was considering a variant where the traitor is a mailman on something like night-3, so they can let the mafia know who they are but on that night the traffic analyst pings on all scum. Another variant I was considering was a 3 player masonry where they start with 1 mason informed that the others will join later and one joining night-2 and one joining night-4 but I figured it was too complicated. If you think this ideas would improve the game I'd love to incorporate them.

My questions

My understanding is mafia flips would be altered to conceal the existence of the traitor but I want to be sure?

What does a psychologist see if they target a person the night they kill? My assumpton is it is based on not having killed at the start of the night

ISO · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:03 pm

Primary: Isis
Secondary: implosion

ISO · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:13 pm

14:5 with traitor at a baseline is probably about an average ratio in terms of balance (13:4 and 16:5 are both sort of standard-ish in ratios by the normal scaling rule). The neighborhood as it exists here is probably a little +town because i'd probably guess there's one scum in it. With all that aside, town's power is essentially:

indecisive doc
2-shot vig (fruit vendor is fine to put on this but doesn't make it much stronger since it'll already be confirmed-ish town as the vig)
3-shot psychologist (probably decently likely to get a guilty)
traffic analyst
mason pair

All of these are pretty solid roles. Doc is kind of weak in a large but there is a good amount of potential for a big confirmed town core between masons and the vig and potential traffic analyst negatives (which aren't truly conftown with a traitor but). As a whole I think it might be a bit much town power, I'd maybe nerf the psychologist in particular? I don't think it's egregious, and I think the set of roles makes nice sense together.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:26 am

The intent with the fruit vendor was to allow the follower to spot something on nights the vig doesn't shoot.

If I was gonna weaken the psychologist, my first instinct is to remove a shot and/or make it novice, or even night. I also like the idea of informing the mafia there is a psychologist as a nerf, because it tells the mafia to spread out the kills. The other town nerf I like the idea of is making one of the mafia night actions a neighbour and moving the ascetic onto a VT, but I understand the scumswing between a 1:3 and a 2:2 neighbourhood is quite big.

I'll get the rules and role PMs up some time today

ISO · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:45 am

Can we run this with mafia informed of psychologist

I don't think you need other changes. 5 scum can influence 14 players pretty well

Mizzytastic · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:28 am

Post 0 wrote:
Mafia Large Normal 23x | Go

A game of hidden roles and social deduction.

Modded by
Mizzytastic
. Backup modded by
the worst
. Reviewed for balance and normalcy by
Isis
and
implosion
.

Flavour will be about the board game go. Teaching the basic rules, showing some common sequences, trivia and history

PLAYERS

Spoiler: Alive

Spoiler: Dead
No one
yet

Spoiler: Replacements

Spoiler: Spectators
[/list]

Important Events
Night 0
:
Pregame

Post 1 wrote:Feedback on rules/format at any point during the game via PM will be appreciated. Evolution of my rules/formatting has been inspired by Korina and Plotinus, and feedback from xofelf.

Golden Rule
Golden Rule
: If I think it counts it counts. Don't play around with edge cases then plead you didn't mean it to be interpreted that way.

Content and Etiquette
Site Rules
: Follow all site rules. Common mistakes are talking about ongoing games and discussing replacements, and players not playing to achieve their win condition.

Keep it civil
: This is a game where we get to call each other scum and manipulate and lie to others. Beyond that please keep it civil, I don't ever want to reach the point where I don't want to read the game I'm running. If you feel like a player has gone too far but hasn't stopped after you ask them to please contact me.

Readibility
: Everyone should be able to read your posts. This is an English language site so use English. Avoid using text
smaller than 75
. Don't use BBCode features in a way that makes your posts difficult to read.

Concealed messages
: Cryptography is not permitted. Steganography (hidden text/messages) is not permitted other than breadcrumming.

Provable randomness
: You are not permitted to use a provably random or pseudo-random (most computer generated random numbers) results in the game. Saying you did without showing the evidence is not provable and so permitted.

Communications and Private Threads
Other threads
: You may talk in any game threads you have access to at any time, unless specified elsewhere (e.g. the
Game Setup
post or your Role PM).

Private Notes Thread
: You may request a private note thread. You may post in that thread at any time.

Quoting
: Quoting this thread in this thread is always ok. You may quote this thread in other game related threads you have access to. You may not quote any other game related threads in this one. You may draft a post in a private notes thread, but copy and paste the content without quote tags. You may not quote any mod communications. Paraphrasing any of these things is ok, creating a fake quote is not.

Claiming mafia
: Part of paraphrasing mod communications is claiming roles. Claiming to be part of an anti-town faction is ok. Many mods ban claiming your team mates, whether real or faked. If you do want to claim your team mates, real or fake, I ask you to strongly consider if it could be considered playing against your win con and check with me if you are unsure.

Redactions
: The
Dead and Spectators Thread
will be released at the end of the game. Any other threads will be released 48 hours after game end, or when all players in them have said it is ok to release them. You can use that 48 hours to redact posts or request the thread isn't released.

Communicating with the mod
: If you want to VOTE: XXXX or UNVOTE: XXXX use the appropriate tags, I skim looking for those tags when doing a vote count and may miss it otherwise. If you want to get my attention for some other reason
bold
it or PM me, otherwise I may miss it and not answer.

Mod Colour
:
#8000FF
is my prefered colour. You can use it but don't
bold
it, or use it to imitate me.

Deadlines, Activity and V/LA
Pre-game
: The game is locked during pre-game and confirmation. Once all Role PMs have been sent people have 48 hours to reply via PM or the
Mafia Private Thread
with their role and alignment. The game will start after more than 75% of players have confirmed or the 48 hours have passed, after which unconfirmed players will be replaced.

Day-time
: Day 1 lasts for 10 days (240 hours). Later days last for 8 days (192 hours).

Night-time
: Night lasts for 48 hours. The game thread is locked during night. See
Night Actions
in the next section for more info about how they work.

Quick night
: If all living players request a quick night, I will resolve the night phase as soon as possible.

Prods and replacements
: You will be prodded after not posting for 48 hours, or 72 hours over the weekend or when
V/LA
. You will have 24 hours to post or be replaced. If you are prodded 3 times you will be replaced. If you repeatedly post close to prod timer or respond to prods without game advancing content I reserve the right to give you stricter activity requirements.

V/LA
: You can go Vacation/Low Access by requesting in thread, by PM or the option in your User Control Panel. If you are V/LA for longer than 72 hours with no expectation of access request a replacement instead. I reserve the right to seek a replacement if a player is V/LA for a long period of time.

Game Actions and Death
Voting
: You can vote for a player or a no elimination with VOTE: XXXX vote tags. If a majority is reached that player will be eliminated and the game will enter twilight. If at least half of the players vote for no elimination no one will be eliminated and the game will enter twilight. If the deadline for the day is reached without a majority no one is eliminated. (
bolded
votes will be counted but I am very likely to miss them so please don't)

Twilight
: Twilight is the time period between a majority vote or deadline and me locking the thread. The voted player is not currently dead and may talk normally. Votes are no longer counted.

Death
: You are dead once I have revealed your role and alignment. You will gain access to the
Dead and Spectators Thread
. You may still post in a Private Notes Thread but not in any other game threads, not even a contentless BAH post.

Night Actions
: Night actions can be submitted by PM or the
Mafia Private Thread
. You will be reminded of any pending night actions 24 hours before night ends - this is not a prod. Night actions submitted after the deadline but before I process the results are forfeited.

Post 2 wrote:
Setup
Day talk
: If you are a member of a shared private thread you may talk there at any time, including the day, as long as you are alive, unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Action Resolution and Multitasking
: Actions are resolved according to Natural Action Resolution. If you have multiple night actions available you may only perform one unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Win Conditions
: Win conditions for
Town
and
Mafia
are as follows:

Town
: You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

Mafia
: You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

Sample Roles
: Below are an example role for a
Vanilla Townie
and a
Mafia Goon
. At least 2 players are a Vanilla Townie. 1 or more players might be a Mafia Goon.

Vanilla TownieYou are a
Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia GoonYou are a
Mafia Goon

You form a
Mafia
family along with REDACTED.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:30 am

With reference to my questions from my initial PM, I've read the wiki on the psychologist and now know that even killing the same night as investigates is enough for a negative.

Do you need the alternate version of scum role PMs I'll post on a flip to conceal the existance of the traitor?

ISO · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:21 am

In post 4, Isis wrote:Can we run this with mafia informed of psychologist

I don't think you need other changes. 5 scum can influence 14 players pretty well

I'm also good with this.

Mizzytastic wrote:With reference to my questions from my initial PM, I've read the wiki on the psychologist and now know that even killing the same night as investigates is enough for a negative.

Do you need the alternate version of scum role PMs I'll post on a flip to conceal the existance of the traitor?

I personally think best practices in normal games are to not post role PMs on death at all, to avoid mistakes when there's something like this that needs to be redacted that you forget to redact. That said if you are thinking about these things in advance, relatively unlikely you'll make that mistake. If you are flipping them then sure, probably good to take a look.

ISO · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:28 pm

Post stuff in here so I don't forget to review role PMs and it bumps in my unreads

Mizzytastic · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:54 pm

I'm going to, just had DnD tonight but I'm gonna get working on it. Role PMs first then intro pages for the private threads if you want that

Mizzytastic · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:38 pm

Mafia Informed NeighbourYou are a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

You form a

Mafia

family along with

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

You are a member of a Neighbourhood. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

You are informed that the traitor is not a member of the

Neighbourhood

, and is

Bulletproof

.

Spoiler: Bulletproof Ability

You are informed that there is a

Town Psychologist

, but do not know what other roles or modifiers they may or may not have.

Spoiler: Psychologist Ability

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

, your Mafia private thread is

here

and your Neighbourhood private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your Mafia private thread.

Mafia 4-Shot FollowerYou are a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Four times during the game you may follow a player at night to learn what they did that night. Assuming no interference you will be informed "PLAYERNAME performed an action of TYPE(S).", "PLAYERNAME performed no action.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME.". The types of action for a normal game are:

Spoiler: Action Types

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not follow and kill in the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia 2-Shot AlienYou are a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Two times during the game you may abduct a player at night. Assuming no interference that players actions will be blocked and other actions targeting them will be blocked.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not abduct and kill in the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia GoonYou are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

and

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia Bulletproof TraitorYou are a

Mafia Bulletproof Traitor

There is a

Mafia

family in town consisting of

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. They know of your presence but not your identity.

Spoiler: Informed Ability

Spoiler: Psychologist Ability Text

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Killing actions targeting you will be prevented.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than you is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Example Flipped Mafia GoonYou are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

If you'd like I can prepare redacted flips for other roles. I redact urls other than the game thread for all flips in case something goes wrong with the private thread system. For the mafia I remove any mention of the traitor (including the win con) and the names of all the mafia members. For the informed neighbour I would use "You are informed that REDACTED." once to cover both informed messages.

Town Indecisive Doctor NeighbourYou are a

Town Indecisive Doctor Neighbour

You are a member of a

Neighbourhood

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player you did not visit on the previous night to protect them. Assuming no interference, one killing action targeting that player will be prevented.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Neighbourhood thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Ascetic NeighbourYou are a

Town Ascetic Neighbour

You are a member of a

Neighbourhood

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Non-killing actions targeting you will fail.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Neighbourhood thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town NeighbourYou are a

Town Neighbour

You are a member of a

Neighbourhood

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Neighbourhood thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town MasonYou are a

Town Mason

You are a member of a

Masonry

. All members of the Masonry are confirmed to you to be

Town

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Masonry thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Traffic AnalystYou are a

Town Traffic Analyst

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to investigate their communications. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME has communications.", "PLAYERNAME does not have communications.", or "You got no result investigating PLAYERNAME.". A player has communications if they are a member of a private thread with more than one living member, are a Mailman, or received a Mailmans message that night.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor, 2-Shot VigilanteYou are a

Town Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor, 2-Shot Vigilante

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you

must

perform one of the following two actions if able:

Roaming Fruit Vendor:
Each night you may visit a player you have never previously visited with this ability to give them fruit. Assuming no interference, they will be informed "You have received fruit."
2-Shot Vigilante:
Twice during the game you may visit a player at night to shoot them. Assuming no interference, they will die. You can shoot a player whom you have given fruit.

If you fail to submit a night action you will visit the first valid target from randomised list of players below and give them fruit. If there are no valid targets to receive fruit and you still have a vigilante shot you will shoot the first valid target in the list instead.

Spoiler: Randomised List of Players

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town 3-Shot PsychologistYou are a

Town 3-Shot Psychologist

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may investigate a player's ability to kill. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME is capable of killing.", "PLAYERNAME is not capable of killing or has already killed.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. Players capable of killing are members of the

Mafia

other than

Traitors

,

Serial Killers

and

Vigilantes

who have not yet killed

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Vanilla TownieYou are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:39 pm

There is a mistake in the example Mafia Goon from the pregame posts. It should read

Mafia GoonYou are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:42 pm

And I left the url from a previous game in my Mafia Goon role PM, sorry

Mizzytastic · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:32 pm

I'm heading to bed, I'll do any corrections, and more examples of redacted roles/pregame posts for private threads if you want tomorrow

ISO · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:44 pm

I'm not sure redacted flips aren't just bad.

Like you used "share a thread" for both the mafia and neighborhood PTs, someone could claim Neighbor D1 and paraphrase their role using the word "share", then mafia could get limmed instead, then D2 there is this tiny bit of probability there's really a neighborhood. That doesn't matter all that much but just like, I don't think everyone always thinks of everything, and I'm not sure what purpose is served by full flips in normal queue..

I'm not vetoing redacted flips from this game as a reviewer or anything, just opinions.

I will actually nag about using the mafiascum wiki spelling for neighbor because i think that can add some confirmation.

I don't see anything else

Mizzytastic · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:16 pm

The main reason I like full flips is making sure that people get the full details of abilities. Most people I've seen discussing mech are super flaky on how roles behave but aren't gonna ask the mod for clarification, and while it's not the mods job to fix players being less than optimal I feel like it sets a baseline everyone can work from.

I hadn't thought about it but sticking to American spelling to avoid confirmation makes a lot of sense. I'll get those produced. It amazes me just how much people can read into sometimes.

Oh, and I missed the 3-shot phrasing for the psychologist, I'll fix that too.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:56 am

Mafia Informed NeighborYou are a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

You form a

Mafia

family along with

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

You are a member of a Neighborhood. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

You are informed that the traitor is not a member of the

Neighborhood

, and is

Bulletproof

.

Spoiler: Bulletproof Ability

You are informed that there is a

Town Psychologist

, but do not know what other roles or modifiers they may or may not have.

Spoiler: Psychologist Ability

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

, your Mafia private thread is

here

and your Neighborhood private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your Mafia private thread.

Mafia 4-Shot FollowerYou are a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Four times during the game you may follow a player at night to learn what they did that night. Assuming no interference you will be informed "PLAYERNAME performed an action of TYPE(S).", "PLAYERNAME performed no action.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. The types of action for a normal game are:

Spoiler: Action Types

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not follow and kill in the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia 2-Shot AlienYou are a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Two times during the game you may abduct a player at night. Assuming no interference that players actions will be blocked and other actions targeting them will be blocked.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not abduct and kill in the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia GoonYou are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

and

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia Bulletproof TraitorYou are a

Mafia Bulletproof Traitor

There is a

Mafia

family in town consisting of

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. They know of your presence but not your identity.

Spoiler: Informed Ability

Spoiler: Psychologist Ability Text

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Killing actions targeting you will be prevented.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than you is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Indecisive Doctor NeighborYou are a

Town Indecisive Doctor Neighbor

You are a member of a

Neighborhood

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player you did not visit on the previous night to protect them. Assuming no interference, one killing action targeting that player will be prevented.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Neighborhood thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Ascetic NeighborYou are a

Town Ascetic Neighbor

You are a member of a

Neighborhood

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Non-killing actions targeting you will fail.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Neighborhood thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town NeighborYou are a

Town Neighbor

You are a member of a

Neighborhood

. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Neighborhood thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town 3-Shot PsychologistYou are a

Town 3-Shot Psychologist

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Three times during the game you may visit a player at night to investigate their ability to kill. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME is capable of killing.", "PLAYERNAME is not capable of killing or has already killed.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. Players capable of killing are members of the

Mafia

other than

Traitors

,

Serial Killers

and

Vigilantes

who have not yet killed

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:20 am

Is there anything else you need?

ISO · Post Post #18 (ISO) » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:24 pm

Mizzytastic wrote:You are informed that the traitor is not a member of the Neighborhood, and is Bulletproof.

This should say "your neighborhood", so as to not preclude the existence of other neighborhoods.

I *think* traitors aren't supposed to know what the mafia's roles are. But this is actually ambiguous on the wiki. Should probably be standardized.

You appear to have accidentally copied the informed ability in the traitor's role PM instead of their bulletproof ability.

I still kind of hate that I did this but

technically

the compulsive role should be required to give that randomized list in their confirmation; see https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Compulsive

I don't believe that a mailman's target counts as a role that can communicate for a traffic analyst based on the wiki.

(there's a lot of things here but all pretty small/nitpicky - overall these look good)

Mizzytastic · Post Post #19 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:44 am

In post 18, implosion wrote:
Mizzytastic wrote:You are informed that the traitor is not a member of the Neighborhood, and is Bulletproof.
This should say "your neighborhood", so as to not preclude the existence of other neighborhoods.

I *think* traitors aren't supposed to know what the mafia's roles are. But this is actually ambiguous on the wiki. Should probably be standardized.

You appear to have accidentally copied the informed ability in the traitor's role PM instead of their bulletproof ability.

I still kind of hate that I did this but
technically
the compulsive role should be required to give that randomized list in their confirmation; see https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Compulsive

I don't believe that a mailman's target counts as a role that can communicate for a traffic analyst based on the wiki.

(there's a lot of things here but all pretty small/nitpicky - overall these look good)

I didn't know you could have multiple neighbourhoods in a normal. I might try that some time.

I did the traitor correctly for my intent, I was copying the information about the informed cos it's not obvious from the name alone what informed means, but if the traitor isn't supposed to know the roles that can go away too. I based it on finding a normal with a traitor and in that one and it did have the traitor knowing the roles so yeah, it should probably be standardised. Fictionally the traitor not knowing makes more sense to me

Mafia Informed NeighbourYou are a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

You form a

Mafia

family along with

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Follower

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

You are a member of a Neighbourhood. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

You are informed that the traitor is not a member of your

Neighbourhood

, and is

Bulletproof

.

Spoiler: Bulletproof Ability

You are informed that there is a

Town Psychologist

, but do not know what other roles or modifiers they may or may not have.

Spoiler: Psychologist Ability

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

, your Mafia private thread is

here

and your Neighbourhood private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your Mafia private thread.

Mafia Bulletproof TraitorYou are a

Mafia Bulletproof Traitor

There is a

Mafia

family in town consisting of

WWWW

,

XXXX

,

YYYY

, and

ZZZZ

. They know of your presence but not your identity.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Killing actions targeting you will be prevented.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than you is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Traffic AnalystYou are a

Town Traffic Analyst

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to investigate their communications. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME has communications.", "PLAYERNAME does not have communications.", or "You got no result investigating PLAYERNAME.". A player has communications if they are a member of a private thread with more than one living member, or a Mailman.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor, 2-Shot VigilanteYou are a

Town Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor, 2-Shot Vigilante

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you

must

perform one of the following two actions if able:

Roaming Fruit Vendor:
Each night you may visit a player you have never previously visited with this ability to give them fruit. Assuming no interference, they will be informed "You have received fruit."
2-Shot Vigilante:
Twice during the game you may visit a player at night to shoot them. Assuming no interference, they will die. You can shoot a player whom you have given fruit.

If you fail to submit a night action you will visit the first valid target from randomised list of players below and give them fruit. If there are no valid targets to receive fruit and you still have a vigilante shot you will shoot the first valid target in the list instead.

Spoiler: Randomised List of Players

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm. In addition, please confirm the randomised list of players for your compulsive modifier.

ISO · Post Post #20 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:36 am

Vorthos (flavor): traitors shouldn't know the mafia's roles because they're just citizens who decided they want the town to fall to crime and rule-by-criminal.

Melvin(mechanics)- a traitor is a role that is in ever respect like a gunless goon, with a singular change that the mafia's group of them is omitted, assymetrically. Deprivation of the traitor's knowledge is not part of the mechanical principle so the traitor should know the Mafia's roles.

Just thought that's interesting to think about. I don't feel strongly

ISO · Post Post #21 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:38 am

Idt it's good to bake a preference for vigging into the compulsive role.

Mizzytastic · Post Post #22 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:22 am

The preference is fruit. The vig only comes up if all living players have received fruit

Mizzytastic · Post Post #23 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:24 am

That said you may vig but if you don't you must fruit is also fine with me but I didn't think the modifiers worked that way.

ISO · Post Post #24 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:47 am

You can receive fruit twice in mafia