open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Kaiji]

I feel like i shouldnt until we get galron's claim tho >.>

Pedit >.> this game

[Kaiji]

also is there any reason whatsoever for me to engage into datisi here

if he's legit scum like I still think is more likely than not, then it's just going to devolve into a nonsense back and forth drowning out the game and just remove any efficacy my points on him have

I think Datisi is spewed town off Skitter scum here.

[Kaiji]

oop i revealed my hand early

[Kaiji]

I just dont think i'm condident enuf to vote enchant rn, and i'm not going to be in the next 10 minutes

VOTE: no-lim

hmm,?

[skitter30]

I got hooded, yay

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upon seeing the enchant vig flip, i got reminded that kaiji slipped they arent vig. To my utter frustration and annoyance, they are probably town (and probably my strongest tr at this point)

Kaiji, is there actually a chance i can get you untunneled by responding to you? If yes, im more than happy to enter a dialogue with you. If not, and you're going to ignore me, i'm just not going to bother, and have already accepted that might mean a loss, but i'm not going to spend time on something that will frustrate me if there's no chance its going to help. Up to u how much effort i put into this

If ur gonna ignore me, well, there's gotta be 2 other town, so i'm just gonna try to find them and put my efforts there instead :shrug: if nyone else wants to talk to me abt something, feel free to ask

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In other news, i am >90% confident in alyssa-scum
I am not sure who the last one is rn

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I dont think there's a venge, and i dont particularly think scum has ascetic cop either

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plz note i am very busy irl today (and plz note that i am in a very different timezone rn), and dont jump on me for not responding immediately to everything

[skitter30]

btw catboi you were left alive bc a) the scum narrative is that Alyssa and I are scum together so they can't shoot Alyssa and b) you are tunneled on me

No, i'm p sure mare got killed because that gives the least amt of info

[skitter30]

I'm very susceptible to pockets so give me your take because frankly I'm not seeing it at all here

You'd have to argue TMI and find me what takes she made from a pov of tmi IMO if you were to sell a scum Alyssa world - granted this is imo not possible because I have taken time to sort her myself

You're pocketed and she's using the pocket to coast rn

[skitter30]

but you see, i don't believe you're town right now, and if we had followed that skill, we would've executed catboi because enchant was apparently obvtown to you so you will have to excuse me if i am Slightly Skeptical of your intentions

I mean they can be town and have awful reads ...

[skitter30]

Right now my top two townreads are you and Kaiji, and between catboi and Alyssa I'm more inclined to trust Kaiji on Alyssa, so my tentative solve is skitter/catboi.

That's unfortunate
- i'm p sure kaiji is pocketed by alyssa
- lmk if there's anything u want to talk abt

[skitter30]

I have to be town if the 1 shot vig was scum because I apparently slipped it wasn't

it would be appreciated if she were to explain this.

Seeing enchant actually flip scum reminded me that kaiji basically slipped they arent, so my read changed there with the flip

I was v pissed yesterday and that colored my read there. Tbh i am still kinda pissed but i got new info that clarified things for me overnight (i.e. enchant flipping vig) and i am trying v hard to get over it

[skitter30]

you townread me? ... who are you and what have you done to s_s?

If it makes you feel any better it's not due to any of your posts.

If u can clarify y u townread him that would be helpful

[skitter30]

to skitter: if you ARE by some miracle a townie - your job here is to deep dive my slot and actually read and show your work on why your read is the way it is

You will come to the conclusion of town if you do this correctly. I do not care how you feel about this request - I am simply telling you how to save this game if you are town. that is all I can do in the case that you are town and we end up losing because of a TvT mutual tunnel.

- i did already
- i dont know how to get u out of ur half of the tunnel
- if ur town and you wont talk to me we *are* going to lose. Again, if you'll actually listen to what i have to say, i'll respond to the variety of posts you're making abt me ... otherwise, again, i'm accepting the loss and am not going to bother

[skitter30]

to add onto the top - You also need to find and case a person as scum outside of me. Similarly to how I am in a position where I did some sus looking shit and am busting ass to make up for it - your position in the gamestate is similar and the expectation is the same.

Alyssa - you've been pocketed and she's using that to coast and is letting you do her dirty work for her

She is not nearly as obvtown as you think she is rn, and i dont think she should be accepting the obvtownread nearly as easily as she is, but she's doing so since its obviously conveninet for her, and she's gonna win off of it without doing much if u stay tunneled

Also eod1 still doesnt make sense if she isnt scum

If you want more of a case / going thru her iso, its not gonna happen before tomorrow irl almost for sure

[skitter30]

I only extend this because of a situation in SCP upick where I misread LLD slot because she was blatantly wrong on everything and tried to coast on her claim and i ended up FOSing her slot in the end because of it(she replaced out) and scum won because of it.


I entertain ALL options in ELo/MeLo as should you if you are town.

I mean if you'll actually listen to me, great

[skitter30]

WHY is cat town ... i asked you like 3x now ... ?
and i'm not as sus of dats as i am of cat

skitter - what happened to catboi scumread btw?

surely just a guilty from a confirmed scum when both slots were getting pressure at the time isn't 100% clearing to you, right?

Its not, and he's v firmly in my poe rn. I dont think he's clear for enchant shenanigans, and if he thinks he is, i'd like him to revisit why

I actually have glimmerings of townpings on dats, so i'm looking at ss/catboi mainly rn

[skitter30]

@catboi from my pov if mena is venegeful that makes you or dats the vig

And from your pov that makes dats the vig (or me i suppose)

wondering what happened from this progression

Not sure what you're asking, mena didnt flip venge

[skitter30]

it really do be funny that skitter tries to push me as scum for bad takes on mena slot when she was

soft defending him all of d3

until it was certain most people were scumreading his slot

i do wish i wasn't the only one reading this game as a whole

I wasnt but ok
My options day3 were to just flip the slot or nolim and let night actions try to figure it out.

[skitter30]

IMO -> this was a slip because of how high catboi was placed and thats why the rectification right away like "oh fuck i was pushing catboi all day and now theyre lock town level i shouldnt have done that"

because i made them post reads under pressure

No, its because after i typed it I realized catboi didnt reel right being as high of town as andante, so i lowered him

[skitter30]

hammer ur partner

skitter had a chance to hammer enchant - they did not here and stalled.

i was pushing to end day here.

I'm indecisive and hate hammering, esp in a potential elo situation. Feel free to look at ... basically any game i was in in elo in to verify that. I always spend abt 10 thousand years being indecisive and not wanting to commit until the last possible moment

Whereas, again, as scum, i am very much aware of optics and how i'd look after the flip of a partner. This is not now i'd treat a partner, and i would not spend 2 weeks dilly-dally-ing knowing he's inevitably getting flipped and knowing how i'd look afterwards. That's just not how i play scum when i have all the answers
When i dont have all the answers i dont have perfect trajectory and look bad, sure

[skitter30]

the fact i solved enchant as town from an alyssa scum pov makes me believe that slot is town here still.

No, why?

[skitter30]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that these kills were planned out in advance rather than decided upon the night they happened

Idk why u keep talking abt this, or why this is important

[skitter30]

I just dont think i'm condident enuf to vote enchant rn, and i'm not going to be in the next 10 minutes

VOTE: no-lim

hmm,?

Hmmm?
I was literally sitting in an airport and waiting to board a flight as I wrote that, i did not have the presence of mind to absolutely convince myself that enchant was scum and that i wasnt going to be the losing vote

And iirc flight was through deadline so i needed to commit to something before boarding

[skitter30]

I’m also invested in catboi skitter I like some of skitters posts like they vibe with me more but ik

VOTE: skitter

here's a thought. i dislike the way skitter went from townreading me for ??? reasons to walking back from it. frankly it kinda mirrors the thread in a weird way. i can imagine scum!skitter starting the game off with townreading me because i'm generally a loud townspew-y player so why get into that mess when she can try to get on my good side early. but once she realized i'm *not* getting townread? "nevermind datisi isn't townie anymore".

i don't like the callouts for being "defensive" either. because she started off with agreeing with catboi that i was being conciliatory towards nsg's scumread on me (and with the implication that that's scummy), and then it turned into me being overly defensive of the scumread. don't those two things have the opposite meaning? it feels opportunistic, like she's grabbing onto the general scumreads on me before i turn them over and making sure that doesn't happen. i don't like it.

- i liked your early game, and you were giving me similar vibes to what i've often seen from early-town-you. i'm not sure tbh why you find that read to be quite shocking
- given that you *don't* think that you're being townie for you, i'm also not sure why you have a problem with me changing my mind
- in this pl you wouldn't be a high priority person to buddy for scum-me imo, i don't think i would really put much, if any, thought into trying to avoid 'getting into that mess' by 'getting on your good side early'
- if that *was* my plan i certainly wouldn't lol-reverse it just because some people are calling you scummy, i'd probably wk you ...
- i'm lowkey surprised that you think this is the tactic that i'd take as scum (particularly the bit where i'd reverse course so suddenly)
- i think you were trying to deflect nsg's scurmead but like in a non-aggressive way. it isn't 'classically' defensive but you were trying to get her a bit off of your back i think, so it read as defensive to me
-

I think we should definitely revisit day 1 and have skitter reexplain what her thought processes were here.

"I forgor" is not an excuse - read datisi's posts and say where the ideas came from.

Since i'm apparently not too annoyed at this present moment:

Basically what i wrote above. Dats had early townpings, so i called him town

At some point, he did something that made me scumread him. Iirc it was roughly around the time nsg was pushing him and he had an oddly defensive response to her, and i find it scummy at the time since it felt like he was trying to get her off his back

He preceeded to call me scum for havign the trajectory of: townreading initially to buddy him, and then scumreading him when other people were scumreading him since its more convenient

I pointed out that this isnt how i play scum, as i dont think i'd have been buddying him in the first place necessarily, qnd if i had decided to buddy him, i wouldnt drop it just because other people were scumreading him. That wouldnt be a 'clean' trajectory, and when i'm scum i try really, really hard to have trajectories that are maintainable and explainable. I dont just drop things on a whim at non-critical times when i wouldnt even, like, get a flip out of it

[skitter30]

like look how soft the top interaction is - compared to the bottom.
i know this is picked out but the ISO button is right there for you to peruse yourself.

I didnt have a strong read on pooky at the time because he wasnt, like, doing anything.

I tried to sort him ~1608 iirc but i had to leave in middle, and then he wouldnt re-emgage despite me trying multiple times over the next week

[skitter30]

can imagine spec chat right now either celebrating us for finding the right path or cursing us for going down dumb rabbitholes

Very much the latter