open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go ignore the thread for a little bit so that people forget I exist even though this is one of the most highkey situations one could find themselves in at the lategame

I need to make sure I don't accidentally say something that will turn Kaiji against me, if you know what I mean

[Alyssa The Lamb]

What's your solve today then ?

Who do you want to flip?

I'll decide that when I figure it out

[Alyssa The Lamb]

if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go ignore the thread for a little bit so that people forget I exist even though this is one of the most highkey situations one could find themselves in at the lategame

I need to make sure I don't accidentally say something that will turn Kaiji against me, if you know what I mean

this is a very snarky way of saying I'm going to bed btw

[skitter30]

What's your solve today then ?

Who do you want to flip?

I'll decide that when I figure it out

Ok ...
Just to elaborate on where i'm coming from: idk what dats' alignment is. I know i'm town. I think kaiji is town. So i'm focusing on your read on me (i.e. vs on dats) to puzzle this out

Right when kaiji starting pushing me, you very strongly indicated that you thought it was
a dats/*me* solve (6795, 6868), when your read on me i dont think has been substantiated in a way to justify that being the solve from your pov

However, if you're scum, and kaiji is town pushing a misflip on me, a me/dats solve is exactly what you want, since you can just let kaiji take charge and push me today

[skitter30]

Also night!

[Something_Smart]

I refuse to believe that there were 4 eod flip-candidates, all of whom were town, and that most of the people doing the pushes were town as well

Not sure I follow this logic. Wouldn't scum be more inclined to push if they had a member at risk of execution?

[skitter30]

Well i'm giving more weight to the former than the latter. (These were kinda two separate thoughts, like:

1. All of the eod1 potential flip candidiates being town is ??? to me (i.e. points to alyssa)
2. Additinally, all of the people pushing them being town is just kinda strange to me, not sure I derived any particular conclusions from this observation)

[Something_Smart]

All of the eod1 potential flip candidiates being town is ??? to me

In what way is it ????

[skitter30]

Because eod wagons with that much scramble are rarely all on town imo, and the more people involved makes it less likely

[Datisi]

i'm gonna ctrl+f "skit" in my iso and see what pops up because i am not about to reread the mess that is this game

45 - this is funny, and if we were to apply it, it would also mean +town for skitter. she did admit that she wasn't exactly aware my picking of 1 was a thing, but i kinda think scum!her just, like, doesn't say that? idk

767 - i think this post captures pretty much the essence of my problems with skitter at the time. mainly what i mean, i got annoyed (739) at skitter saying that i'm scummy for agreeing with nsg on her scumread on me, when i'm not sure how much my recent scumplay could be described like that, and when i felt that skitter should *know that*. and also being accused of being defensive, like, yes, nice to meet you. which mirrored the thread in a weird way, because she started off townreading me for things i didn't really get, then scumreading me for things that i felt like she should know aren't scum!indicative for me, at the time the thread was starting to scumread me.

1370 - this is a reminder to myself to reread skit's progression on me around this time. mostly to see if "this is too awkward of a progression for scum!me to decide to keep up" actually has merit

1467 - rereading around here with a fresher head, i'm back to not liking the interactions skitter had with me because a lot of them did feel like... idk, poking at things that aren't necessarily scummy for me because she's able to make me look bad because of them. another thing i should keep in mind is whether skitter tried to use these things against me down the line in order to try to get me flipped, i guess

1605 is an interesting post wrt to me and i wish i could say that it gives me some alignment feels on skitt rn but i don't think it does

1729 - i would say that this still holds true. sleepless was the one who asked, and he didn't have much influence at the time, so even if he townread me for the wall, don't think anything important would've come from it. i *guess* scum!skitter could be townreading me for it if the entirety of her team is in a decent position and she doesn't need to look for more misflips (though this is something that i also need to recheck, how viable i was at the time). also i still feel like townreading someone for self-meta is a risky thing because it's easy to get attacked for it

2960 - this post speaks to me, and it says skitter and alyssa are not s/s (yes, i know nobody is thinking that they are, shut up)

3014 - knowing that both midway and sleepless are town, i'm not sure if scum!skitter does this thing where she's kinda voting midway but also going like "oh no very bad if he's town". like i think as scum, she commits to either scumreading midway and trying to get the higher-up townie yeeted, or she firmly says how this is a terrible idea because he's gonna claim pr or wtv and that we're all fucking idiots and we shouldn't vote him. so this, vote midway then rethink feels. idk, doesn't strike me like the first thing that scum is gonna do.

okay that's it from day one. @kaiji, i'm not sure if any of this is helpful/what you were looking for, because i don't think i have many Extra Thoughts on skitt's day one that i hadn't said at the time of day one. so, like, lemme know if you have anything more specific you want me to reply to.

[Datisi]

I don't like Pooky's entrance so dumping my vote on his slot until further notice VOTE: Menalque

kaiji, can you think back to why you disliked pooky's early posts here and how you came around to townreading him later on?

[Datisi]

Sleepless Assassin

(6):

northsidegal,

Menalque

,

Andante

,

Faker

, catboi,

Mare

flow trap (5):

skitter30,

Datisi

,

Sleepless Assassin

,

SirCakez

,

innocentvillager

midwaybear

(1):

flow trap

Faker

(1):

Something_Smart

not voting (1):

midwaybear

Sleepless Assassin

(8):

northsidegal,

Menalque

,

Andante

, catboi,

midwaybear

,

Faker

,

Mare

, skitter30

flow trap (5):

Sleepless Assassin

,

Datisi

,

innocentvillager

,

SirCakez

, Something_Smart

midwaybear

(1):

flow trap

not voting (0):

i'm gonna pretend that i know how to do vca, and boy oh boy that is a lot of green on the flowtrap wagon

if i assume that flow trap is town, then scum was probably dispersed across both wagons - i'd assume in that case skitt would most likely be scum there

however, if flow trap is scum, then skitter is probably? town

i lowkey wanna flip alyssa now

mmm... going by these two votecounts and nothing else, i think that nothing much has changed from the above, and that like... a catboi + alyssa team makes sense. also i found a post of myself where i was talking about how there was so much panic on day one, but everyone was wagoning northsidegal without much blowback, which implies scum!alyssa town!kaiji.

i still want to look through menalque's iso, and also see how did that mena wagon in 3948 fall apart.

[DkKoba]

skitter pulling this arguement after calling me scum for how i treated enchant is actaully kinda hmm tho

[Datisi]

skitter pulling this arguement after calling me scum for how i treated enchant is actaully kinda hmm tho

what is the this argument

[Kaiji]

skitter pulling this arguement after calling me scum for how i treated enchant is actaully kinda hmm tho

[Kaiji]

skitter pulling this arguement after calling me scum for how i treated enchant is actaully kinda hmm tho

what is the this argument

An actual good one

[Datisi]

skitter pulling this arguement after calling me scum for how i treated enchant is actaully kinda hmm tho

what is the this argument

An actual good one

what post are you referring to >_>

[Kaiji]

You see why do i assume people read games in the same capacity as me lol

Skitter just self cased saying how they would have full busssd enchant/mena rather than how they did treat the slot but it was scummy how i did it last dayphase?

In addition i believe the benefit was for Skitter to make sure enchant slot doesnt go over yet, earning 1 mislim is worth being viewed as scummy because its still arguable.

[Datisi]

well excuse me for not knowing what you were referring to after skitter made ~15 posts in the thread

[skitter30]

You see why do i assume people read games in the same capacity as me lol

Skitter just self cased saying how they would have full busssd enchant/mena rather than how they did treat the slot but it was scummy how i did it last dayphase?

In addition i believe the benefit was for Skitter to make sure enchant slot doesnt go over yet, earning 1 mislim is worth being viewed as scummy because its still arguable.

Well i mean u were actively trying to get catboi flipped

[Kaiji]

What happened before that, skitter, or did you forget?

I literally directly asked you to hammer enchant. And you refused.

I got tinfoil brain

[Kaiji]

I doubt you forget that i requested you specifically hammer enchant while knowing i pushed catboi only half the day

While i did forget my end of that interaction it feels odd you forgot your end.

[skitter30]

I wasnt saying u were scum for it, but pointing out how i view the difference

Honestly a lot of day3 is blurring together in my mind, i didnt remember that it happened right before that

[catboi]

i didn't want to read last night, will get to this sometime today

[Alyssa The Lamb]

This day one flow trap argument feels really reachy