open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Kaiji and catboi are town

Idk anymore on the rest

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I've had a pretty good read on the game from my townread side on flips so I'm fairly confident that those reads are more likely to be correct then my scum reads

[schadd_]

[instrumental; performance of

summertime

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vote count 5.1 !

skitter30 (1):

Kaiji

not voting (5):

Something_Smart, Datisi, skitter30, catboi, Alyssa The Lamb

6 are alive, and it takes 4 votes to reevaluate someone's considerations. day 5 ends in (expired on 2022-02-19 05:30:00)

other ideas

• did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays?
  
• did you know that datisi isn't vla on tuesdays and thursdays?

[Something_Smart]

How often do you see that happen?

I have no idea, but my intuition is that it's not

super

rare? The town's collective reads are often not better than random on D1.

[Something_Smart]

Ss why am i scum?

I haven't forgotten about high draft being correlated with being scum. You being VT is statistically fairly unlikely, and the midway kill implies that scum have the cop slot and thus aren't scared of a cop, so you would be the prime person to have it.

This, plus just PoE.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I mean, if skitter is ascetic cop, Mare can guilty her.

She can't be

I had her pegged as cop d2 and she didn't play like one immediately after d3 started

It would've been more beneficial to keep it up at that stage than immediately break it I think

[Alyssa The Lamb]

As in, it would have to be almost entirely deliberate for her to be playing like a cop and just arbitrarily dropping it only to claim VT feels like a really dumb move

[skitter30]

I mean if i'm scum with mena slot i also cant claim ac if mena is
(Although if i'm scum with mena slot and had been setting up an ac claim, i dont let him claim ac either ...)

[skitter30]

How often do you see that happen?

I have no idea, but my intuition is that it's not

super

rare? The town's collective reads are often not better than random on D1.

Idk i dont think i've seen a 3way scramble that was all on town. If i have none are coming to mind rn

This was 4way

[Kaiji]

I'll give you one from a recently completed scumgame of mine(i'm machop):

[Kaiji]

glaceon is dwlee and pony is andante and nightmarex is Ahri

[Datisi]

i feel like the "your first vote is final" (assuming it literally means that you can make only one vote the entire day) is significant enough to be mentioned here, but like. yeah.

[Kaiji]

i feel like the "your first vote is final" (assuming it literally means that you can make only one vote the entire day) is significant enough to be mentioned here, but like. yeah.

that's just a modbot glitch because the game ended in a scum win in ELo where votes were locked, they were not locked on D1

[skitter30]

If that's still one of your main arguments when it's one of those types of information that's most prone to change with flips, especially when you're suddenly sure, it doesn't look genuine at all

Kaiji r u set on me ?

[skitter30]

Whoops didnt mean to quote that

[Kaiji]

i'm more or less settled here because of your d1 interactions with pooky and your mena treatment d2/d3 yeah.

I'm having a hard time seeing your arguments for flow/alyssa mafia.

while i did not expect on the list of things scum skitter to do is to start townreading me - it isn't enough to completely 180 - can you explain what is different between last day and today that you are claiming I am town?


I do not think the vig thing was even AI, I just wanted to use it against you as a point but I wanna throw it away because its a silly thing that i would have faked as scum anyways - I want to know what other reasons you have to flip your read that you may have maybe even picked up on after changing read based on that incorrect reason.

[Datisi]

i feel like the "your first vote is final" (assuming it literally means that you can make only one vote the entire day) is significant enough to be mentioned here, but like. yeah.

that's just a modbot glitch because the game ended in a scum win in ELo where votes were locked, they were not locked on D1

okay, that makes more sense, i was wondering what in fresh hell is the nonsense of locking votes on day 1

i still think the end-of-day-1 vc being that is not definitive proof of anything, because i'd need to actually read the game to see if there was a deadline scramble and how bit was it, but no way am i doing that just to play a devil's advocate for a point that doesn't seem *too* significant

[Kaiji]

i feel like the "your first vote is final" (assuming it literally means that you can make only one vote the entire day) is significant enough to be mentioned here, but like. yeah.

that's just a modbot glitch because the game ended in a scum win in ELo where votes were locked, they were not locked on D1

okay, that makes more sense, i was wondering what in fresh hell is the nonsense of locking votes on day 1

i still think the end-of-day-1 vc being that is not definitive proof of anything, because i'd need to actually read the game to see if there was a deadline scramble and how bit was it, but no way am i doing that just to play a devil's advocate for a point that doesn't seem *too* significant

i'm telling you there was a deadline scramble, unless you think I am making things up for fun

[Kaiji]

mafiauniverse games often have a "final half hour" scramble so those games are nice to draw on to see what is expected in a scramble.

[Kaiji]

the fact scum was well positioned for so long this game should make it easily plausible that d1 wagons can be mostly town.

[Datisi]

i would have to see for myself because i have a feeling you're at least partially biased here

[Kaiji]

i would have to see for myself because i have a feeling you're at least partially biased here

more like i know because i was scum in that game that helped set up an all town scramble, among even the best town players in our community lol

[Kaiji]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5626206

here is a direct link to the d1 flip post there, you can see how votecounts changed too by clicking the voote history button here: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/mo ... me_id=4741

[Datisi]

i opened schadd's iso, looked at the vc's in 5719 to 5900, and also 5739 where she is the first person to jump off enchant and like i would be lying if i said i wasn't confbiased myself here, but i think alyssa is scum and kaiji is town and we're about to lose the game and i just hope i'm wrong.

[Kaiji]

Why does that make skitter town too