open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Worse for you

Not worse in general

[Alyssa The Lamb]

As for when I'm obvtown

I don't go to that much effort when I'm scum only to essentially not change my reads at all, yet still finding new things to reach those same reads

It's really unnecessary for this type of game and it's similarly unnecessary to simply have all these correct town reads on people that can potentially be pushed and keeping these simple reasons as justification for those reads

And then just kill them all off

[Kaiji]

alyssa can you describe your progression on skitter slot please

[Kaiji]

it isn't that im angling to scumread you - I just like to be thorough in ELo.

[Kaiji]

good talk.

catboi come actually discuss game challenge.

[Kaiji]

VOTE: catboi

least towny person rn im not buying all the falloffs this game, you dont get to coast just by being the guilty target.


fmpov *no one* went for you when I was pushing you meaning scum were dead set on saccing enchant thus *you* being bussed by enchant is fully on the table.

you can argue i'm scum sure but it is also a very viable solution objectively from a pov of me being town so yep.

[catboi]

Turns out I don't enjoy mafia much anymore.

Which isn't an excuse, but it is what it is.

[catboi]

I was half-assedly bullshitting a scumread on you on the assumption we just default no elim to go to 5 assuming if you're scum you just kill me and if I'm alive I probably flip it but beyond that I wasn't expending brainpower

[catboi]

But if you want to argue that my master plan as scum is to have my teammate guilty me and then go completely belly up and not exert any influence, go right ahead

[catboi]

A metadive says that you didn't lay recent endgames like this as scum but you also had the win sewn up in those cases and as such didn't need to rock the boat. I'm not actually convinced this is out of your scum range at all

[catboi]

s_s, why is kaiji town?

Two main reasons. One, I buy the argument that scum-Kaiji doesn't make these kills. If Kaiji is scum they have basically brought all of the people who can threaten them to melo. I do not think this is impossible for them to do as a WIFOM play but nobody has been buying this argument all game so it seems like it would be massively making things harder on themself to play into it anyway. Two, I don't think that scum-them tries so hard to control the game when their partner Enchant is already trying to cause a distraction, and this does feel like a situation where town would be more inclined to try than scum since scum only need one mislim to win. (Plus, I don't see scum-Kaiji burning that much towncred to push catboi over Enchant unless they win from it, so a team with Kaiji would have to have the n3 vig and have holstered it.)

Who are you claiming Kaiji would kill here, exactly? Your theory here is that the team is me/skitter, which would me I spent all of day 3 1v1ing my teammates for absolutely no good reason. Do you

really

think that's plausible?

[catboi]

no offense datisi, but like me, as town you are very pocketable.

cheeky

[catboi]

upon seeing the enchant vig flip, i got reminded that kaiji slipped they arent vig. To my utter frustration and annoyance, they are probably town (and probably my strongest tr at this point)

how does that make kaiji town, I don't get it

[skitter30]

and again, my whole mo as scum is 'clean trajectories'. I dont devise a messy elo where i need to push someone with 'reasoning that doesnt stand up to scrutiny'

I'm just going to put this out there

This only makes the idea that I'm your only push worse

Y

[catboi]

I actually have zero idea who scum is right now

good night

[catboi]

i'm playing like shit i jhate this game

[Something_Smart]

This isn't what I would expect scum-catboi to be doing. But I'll admit I don't have a ton of experience there.

I just have PTSD from when he whooped my ass in a 1v1 by tryharding like crazy.

[Something_Smart]

Who are you claiming Kaiji would kill here, exactly?

I mean the people Kaiji fears most seem to be {Alyssa, skitter, you} so probably some combination of those?

[Datisi]

i have seen this kind of behaviour from catboi as town before, and i'm currently mulling over if i think it's likely he exhibits it as scum

[Kaiji]

Turns out I don't enjoy mafia much anymore.

Which isn't an excuse, but it is what it is.

Correction: i dont enjoy * this game* much anymore.

You are plenty enjoying mafia.

[Kaiji]

upon seeing the enchant vig flip, i got reminded that kaiji slipped they arent vig. To my utter frustration and annoyance, they are probably town (and probably my strongest tr at this point)

how does that make kaiji town, I don't get it

why are none of the people who expressed suspicion of me dead?

[Kaiji]

datisi/catboi as a team crosses my mind considering how datisi is treating my slot and how catboi entered being demotivated to see skitter townreading me

I still dont like skitters dayplay but also i have lost games by putting too high of a BoP on players i thought were playing well below their towngame.

[Kaiji]

i have seen this kind of behaviour from catboi as town before, and i'm currently mulling over if i think it's likely he exhibits it as scum

Where have u seen this behavior from town catboi

[Datisi]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=87360

[Kaiji]

i dont recognize any of the accounts as catboi/gira/petapan/bloodhail