open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

sorry, I'm drained atm

rough work week + other obligations being a stresser

[skitter30]

upon seeing the enchant vig flip, i got reminded that kaiji slipped they arent vig. To my utter frustration and annoyance, they are probably town (and probably my strongest tr at this point)

how does that make kaiji town, I don't get it

why are none of the people who expressed suspicion of me dead?

I mean, do u actually think i kill you as scum last night?

[skitter30]

I'd find it much more liklier that since Skitter was pushing catboi, and I was pushing mena/enchant at the time - in a town!skitter world - that he felt demotivated because 2 scum members were under heavy fire from strong players.

Ig i just find it more likely that town-him gets demotivated than scum-him

[skitter30]

I still think its alyssa

[Datisi]

*pops in*
has alyssa explained that one thing that someone asked of her that i thought was interesting?

[skitter30]

Which one thing?

[Datisi]

and again, my whole mo as scum is 'clean trajectories'. I dont devise a messy elo where i need to push someone with 'reasoning that doesnt stand up to scrutiny'

I'm just going to put this out there

This only makes the idea that I'm your only push worse

Y

[Alyssa The Lamb]

it's hard to have a clean trajectory on somebody that isn't me in this game

[skitter30]

I'm still not following

[Kaiji]

who is alyssa's partner

[skitter30]

I dont know

[Alyssa The Lamb]

alyssa can you describe your progression on skitter slot please

Generically town initially due to relative activity+engagement

Sometime later in D2 I caught on to her defending Andante in a very "I know she's town" type of way, figured it was because she was cop with an inno on Andante and didn't want to out her role

Just townbinned both of the two for the rest of D2, I was trying to send a signal that I caught on to what she was doing but I don't remember if I actually did or not, I think I did, got questioned about it, and decided not to follow up

D3 I found out she wasn't a cop since her trajectory on Andante didn't align with it, realized that I'd just been townbinning on her based on that and reset

Figured out she was scumreading me for really odd reasons, she had no read on specifically me despite that only ever having happened before in a town her/scum me world where I was perpetually staying in the background (aka not this). This is never how she has acted towards me before in a TvT world and her responses to me poking about this were very lackluster

I decided to give her space anyways since our one other game together was TvT where we had very lukewarm reads towards each other (I died N1 after replacing in halfway through the day so it's not that strong) and it being a year and a half before that since the last time I had any interaction with her in a game

Pretty much maintained that nullish scum read throughout

Eventually turned that into a full scum read when I realized that this blunt indecisiveness/lack of confidence with consistent engagements that go nowhere makes the most sense for scum to have as a strategy for a game that has this many posts and no real progress being made

Starting today I backed off mainly because I trust my townreads in this game more than my scumreads. It simply makes more sense to try to find all the town rather than find all the scum

[Something_Smart]

Sometime later in D2 I caught on to her defending Andante in a very "I know she's town" type of way, figured it was because she was cop with an inno on Andante and didn't want to out her role

Just townbinned both of the two for the rest of D2, I was trying to send a signal that I caught on to what she was doing but I don't remember if I actually did or not, I think I did, got questioned about it, and decided not to follow up

oh this makes a lot of sense

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I hope so, I'm pretty sure I did mention it when the townread went away

[skitter30]

Sometime later in D2 I caught on to her defending Andante in a very "I know she's town" type of way, figured it was because she was cop with an inno on Andante and didn't want to out her role

It was cuz i knew she was telling the truth abt her role (i.e. i'm vt) and with the way she was playing thought she was v town, + thought she actually picked tracker and didnt think scum picked tracker in that bracket

Pedit u did mention it. Yeah

[skitter30]

Figured out she was scumreading me for really odd reasons, she had no read on specifically me despite that only ever having happened before in a town her/scum me world where I was perpetually staying in the background (aka not this). This is never how she has acted towards me before in a TvT world and her responses to me poking about this were very lackluster

- i do think you've been staying in the background (i.e. not driving things yourself, but letting other people drive things)
- not sure why this is scum-indicative for me

[skitter30]

Starting today I backed off mainly because I trust my townreads in this game more than my scumreads. It simply makes more sense to try to find all the town rather than find all the scum

I mean i find this dubious but ok

[Alyssa The Lamb]

this isn't 2019 anymore

and I was never a fan of the playstyle of just hard shoving all your scumreads through

[skitter30]

I'm confused why you think its scummy of me to be scumreading you when you're playing similarly to a game where you were scum and town-me scumread you

Full disclosure i do not presently remember that game

[Alyssa The Lamb]

A game where I went out of my way to be forgettable so I could kill you before you could push the game in a direction I could control, yes

This is a pretty far cry from that considering I was pushing my own reads way more and shoving myself into the spotlight

[Alyssa The Lamb]

This was the mustard micro

[skitter30]

What game are we even talking abt >.>

Pedit thanks

[skitter30]

You had the same trajectory on me there as you've had these padt 2 days so ...

[skitter30]

and shoving myself into the spotlight

Also where do u think u did this .. ?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm not seeing a reason to continue this engagement