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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:05 pm

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In post 348, SirCakez wrote:We just got lucky
The only reason we needed luck was because you limmed ircher then tried to blow someone up.
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:06 pm

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In post 349, Who wrote:Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:06 pm

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In post 351, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 349, Who wrote:Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.
The choice was rash yet the aim was true.
Yes, but like, if he hit town the game would have been lost immediately, if he didn't shoot we had a very favorable position.
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:08 pm

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I didn't mean to submit an action night 1 lol I got on a call with a friend and totally got distracted and didn't come back in time
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:09 pm

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In post 353, SirCakez wrote:I didn't mean to submit an action night 1 lol I got on a call with a friend and totally got distracted and didn't come back in time
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:10 pm

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In post 347, Cephrir wrote:
In post 343, Who wrote:Thanks for modding! I think cop is too powerful. It's powerful enough in regular mafia but in this where the mafia can't target a claimed cop in response to the claim it's kind of insane.
yeah my first thought for altering this would be letting the mafia kill whoever they want
That seems a bit too strong and also against the spirit of it. Perhaps give everyone a one-shot free night? Or it ends so quickly that that would also be against the spirit of it.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:15 pm

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Maybe make it anonymous, slightly faster, and submit an 18 entry long list at the beginning and run three games back to back with the same group using their original list.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:18 pm

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will think it over!

until then think i'll take a short mod hiatus

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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:19 pm

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What do you mean by anonymous? Everyone uses anonymous alts? That doesn't seem like it will do much. Faster only prevents it from being broken during the game, it doesn't save the setup from breaking. Three games back to back seems fun but won't protect from breaking.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:21 pm

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Maybe the mafia can choose which list to kill from and which to roleblock from?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:23 pm

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That would be a good check on blindly following the cop, but after thinking more about it I think there might just be too much town power in general, and also too much openness.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:26 pm

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If the random towns are in the same class and the mafia claim that class you get two ICs d1 before any night actions.
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:27 pm

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Actually that’s easy the mafia just claim different classes to each other, Andante wasn’t trying when she claimed the same class as frog.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:27 pm

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Ya some VTs might not hurt
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:29 pm

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But being a PR is fun though.
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:33 pm

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In post 358, Who wrote:What do you mean by anonymous? Everyone uses anonymous alts? That doesn't seem like it will do much. Faster only prevents it from being broken during the game, it doesn't save the setup from breaking. Three games back to back seems fun but won't protect from breaking.
i didn't know if there is a setting to make it anonymous.

I guess one way to help mitigate breaking which gives players agency and is in the spirit of the setup is to go in the opposite direction of the above suggestions, and give both alignments an additional set of either / or PRs that swap the target of target players. I've heard the roles called different things like Driver, not sure what they're called here. Then players can decide if executing their night action is going to help them or not based on what appears to be happening.

The idea of the slightly faster time to allow three games back to back is to balance the setup in a high skill high luck way, so some playthroughs will be broken and others won't, and you'll get multiple playthroughs.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:42 pm

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Adding redirection risks things getting to chaotic but is promising. Bus driver has the issue of needing two targets which would introduce unnecessary complexity, but a role which shifts the target’s target list one night forwards seems good for scum. For town, those roles are generally negative utility, but a beam splitter would be handy.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:51 pm

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In post 366, Who wrote:Adding redirection risks things getting to chaotic but is promising. Bus driver has the issue of needing two targets which would introduce unnecessary complexity, but a role which shifts the target’s target list one night forwards seems good for scum. For town, those roles are generally negative utility, but a beam splitter would be handy.
Yeah I feel it. Maybe even some negative utility is warranted for town here?
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:36 am

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But negative utility roles will just either not get used or only be used by trolls. Better to give the negative town utility to scum.
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:54 am

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sorry I was completely useless in this I should not have been playing mafia last night LOL
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