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[Nero Cain]

why would I know you? We played like 2 or 3 games ages ago.

[the worst]

I'm an open book!

[the worst]

Nah fr though id power-yeet every town power role claim as either alignment if it felt right

I just think hockey has a towny vibe

[Frozen Angel]

Hi worst!!! Long time no see ^.^

btw, I'm at E-2, so I'll guess I'll claim,

I'm a backup of a role

I'm not gonna out anymore info about it unless I'm forced to

You probably should be voting me fi this is true. I hard claim VT. No big deal if I am the lim if you have a better role than mine.

this interaction looks like two townies

what about it feels like that?

Nah fr though id power-yeet every town power role claim as either alignment if it felt right

I just think hockey has a towny vibe

you got town vibe of the claim post so what else was there if it wasn't the claim?

[Frozen Angel]

eyes's suspicion of dwlee feels more like deflection than the product of some sort of reaction test

in fact throughout his whole ISO I still have zero reason to believe he has actually followed the game at any point and formed any genuine reads on anyone based on any actual content

everything he's done lately is just an aggressive reaction to him being run up on votes to try to avoid being eliminated

Yeap. that's exactly why he still has my vote.

[Frozen Angel]

i think you're very quick to attribute to malice what is clearly attributable to laziness
not really sure what that makes eyes' alignment, but
VOTE: wavemode

I don't find eye read on dwlee and refusal to vote him lazy. I find it inconsistent with the mindset he was following to reach that point and scummy.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm liking wave posts a lot

eye is definitely not doing what he is doing cause of laziness lol

Like he genuinely threw in a theory - with no suspect - to gain heat to reaction test out of it but he refuses to even vote for the reaction he got out of it.

I've been checking his previous games for like few hours yesterday and never saw him being so conservative in his early day 1.

[Frozen Angel]

I actually like wave case on scorp. scorp being reacting to same stuff I was and giving shared reads on different topics with me (on different occasions). my main concern about the slot is from where he asked those questions of wave and then claimed it was reaction test/with no follow up and he said he likes wave after it but since then he keeps shading the slot on all occasions

like

Especially with the literal
Lowest hanging fruit on the bottom..

This is just as bad as Adante’s early naked list.

This reaction just screams fake. he was asked of his other reads and he sorted them. What's bad about making a read list based on his current impressions? That list is very informative actually and he has been explaining all his reads forever so what was inconsistent or alarming for you to make such a reaction to his read list?

Also calling Eye low-hanging fruit without ever developing a read on him based on all the heat that came after him earlier is just dodging the whole thing and his wagon IMO.

you have no idea why a claimed PR might be worth keeping alive? none?

what kind of claim was that even honestly. "I'm backup and I wont talk about it"?! Its timing was awful, he is not even under elimination pressure and we still had few days. he didn't even claim his role fully. Its just making no sense, not saying the claim is false, but I just don't get why he did it in such manner at all and I'm certainly not trusting the slot anymore than before.

His inconsistencies with his play style is pretty much consistent. Like he is goofy but he is goofy in every read about game theory he posts. and it just is consistent with his claim as well.

This just makes it really hard for me to consider him mafia while it doesn't make me feel he is town either. It's just putting him in not solvable position for me

[Frozen Angel]

This is weird because I disagree on both counts: I don't think this is much of a switch, but also I don't think fast switches are at all scummy. The opposite, really: making a big deal about wanting to go one way only to suddenly go another way is more extra-credit work than I expect from scum. If anything I would think this pair of posts is suspicious for the opposite reason: because 33 seems almost like "advertising" a willingness to eventually move to HockeyFan and setting up for 37.

Fast switch with a vote is fine. fast switch with ideas is not. It was still an early game switch though.

There Adante was like "yeah I wanna push hockey" "no I'm not pushing hockey he is hard to sort" "oh yeah you scum read him for the stuff I said I find scummy too, so I think he is a good push" in span of 3 consecutive posts. It just suggests she didn't have any mindset to actually sort the slot and was just vibing in with everyone else.

I don't find any action inherently scummy but being so pushover while you're trying to state a read is just alarming. She has been a bit consistent with that attidue however so it might be a personality trait.

[Frozen Angel]

...er, except this one. Did you quote the wrong post or something?

I felt like he is hinting that he finds Stephan's entrance and reaction testing towny with role play remarks. that's why I said it. I just liked it as slight mention without him jumping in and picking a side in that debate.

[Frozen Angel]

What do you like about them? They seem terrible to me, her reasoning on Scorpious and wavemode and HockeyFan are all tenuous at best for the reasons I already gave.

I was too fast in thinking I like her entrance there actually. I was feeling her calling out stephan was because of how others was saying it but then realized she is just catching up as she threw in other reads in between.

but then she went and made that absurd list when stephan asked him with eye as his third town read which was not making any sense as she was just catching up and she should have known the slot is just non existence. later she said that she liked eye post about how he likes dwlee and her cause they pushed game out of rvs - which itself was a terrible post anyway.

for me adante looks fake though. I didn't want to give her any credits for her wall posts later on about both eye/hockey either in 600 or 605. She practically opened their iso and wrote a story for each as if they are mafia without explaining/refuting why they can't be town doing the stuff their did. For example

Post 371 - You try to win Scorp over to your side, like "see!! I just acknowledged Andantes bad read!! I'll pocket uou now!" that's kinda how that reads tbh

@Scorpuis, has your read on wave changed(esp since they've started to give content(355/360)

Like I just like adante less for this and it feels like she is trying to shade hockey with stuff like that in her reads.

while I also agree with "some" stuff she said about how hockey was backtracking from his reads when questioned and how in general some stuff he says make no sense. but in general hockey's play style was so persistent in this game in whatever he does.

[Frozen Angel]

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

Bad post from nero. Information over analysis. Nero is just saying nothing to progress a read about either of the top two wagons

first was

"yeah this theory exists but is really bad"

and then

"scum claims pr to get out of elimination unless if its actually a town who is pr". It literally translates to "he is likely telling a lie unless if its the truth"

absolutely alarming posting.

[Frozen Angel]

My top suspects right now in no order are

Nero, Andante, Eye

Everyone else did something or was consistent overall to make me feel better about them

[Frozen Angel]

I apologize for all pronouns missuses. I'm so sorry.

[Greeting]

Now I have a feeling both main wagons are town.

UNVOTE: Eyes without a face

[Datisi]

vote count 1.11

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-02-19 12:00:00).

yeet

HockeyFan [5]:

Nero Cain, Stephen A Smith, fireisredsir, Andante, Scorpious

Eyes without a face [3]:

wavemode, Dwlee99, Frozen Angel

Andante [1]:

HockeyFan

Greeting [1]:

Eyes without a face

not voting [3]:

Umlaut, the worst, Greeting

mod notes

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[Nero Cain]

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

Bad post from nero. Information over analysis. Nero is just saying nothing to progress a read about either of the top two wagons

first was

"yeah this theory exists but is really bad"

and then

"scum claims pr to get out of elimination unless if its actually a town who is pr". It literally translates to "he is likely telling a lie unless if its the truth"

absolutely alarming posting.

If you are going to throw around buzzwords at least use them correctly. The analysis part is "I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2" (yes I know I haven't unvoted which I'm sure you'll call me on. ) There's a scummy player (IMO) that is making a claim that scum could easily do. Which means what exactly? You didn't even react to his claim so you don't get to talk down to someone that did react.

As for the other part. Admitting that a theory exists is like normal? For the life of me, I can't understand why you (and greeting) think it's bad that I'm admitting that something that exists...exists. I called it bad b/c ignoring the whole game and pushing some silly theory 'cause it's bad and scummy. You are currently voting him wich also means that you think he was scum when he posted that. So if he's scum why is it bad that I called him out on it? You're doing this weird thing where you are talking out of both sides of your mouth but then again you probably aren't a town slot.

[Nero Cain]

actually, I that back.

you did react.

what kind of claim was that even honestly. "I'm backup and I wont talk about it"?! Its timing was awful, he is not even under elimination pressure and we still had few days. he didn't even claim his role fully. Its just making no sense, not saying the claim is false, but I just don't get why he did it in such manner at all and I'm certainly not trusting the slot anymore than before.

here you a berating him for claiming. Just why? The first of your post is riding him for claiming but then you go on to say that "its not false" IYO. The only difference between our reactions is that you were already town reading him thus you believe his claim but I don't really understand why you are fussing at him.

I also don't get what "and I'm certainly not trusting the slot anymore than before" means.

[Frozen Angel]

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

Bad post from nero. Information over analysis. Nero is just saying nothing to progress a read about either of the top two wagons

first was

"yeah this theory exists but is really bad"

and then

"scum claims pr to get out of elimination unless if its actually a town who is pr". It literally translates to "he is likely telling a lie unless if its the truth"

absolutely alarming posting.

If you are going to throw around buzzwords at least use them correctly. The analysis part is "I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2" (yes I know I haven't unvoted which I'm sure you'll call me on. ) There's a scummy player (IMO) that is making a claim that scum could easily do. Which means what exactly? You didn't even react to his claim so you don't get to talk down to someone that did react.

As for the other part. Admitting that a theory exists is like normal? For the life of me, I can't understand why you (and greeting) think it's bad that I'm admitting that something that exists...exists. I called it bad b/c ignoring the whole game and pushing some silly theory 'cause it's bad and scummy. You are currently voting him wich also means that you think he was scum when he posted that. So if he's scum why is it bad that I called him out on it? You're doing this weird thing where you are talking out of both sides of your mouth but then again you probably aren't a town slot.

I'm not throwing buzzwords. I meant exactly what I said. We all know he is either scum or town. You literally said most scum who are getting lynched claim but so does town and then tried to distance yourself from the wagon.

Thats literally what a mafia would do if hockey is town.

The way you treat every push in game on the current major wagons is basically distancing yourself from making any sort of analysis over it by posting something about the technicalities related to them which I find the most alarming thing in the game right now

[Frozen Angel]

actually, I that back.

you did react.

what kind of claim was that even honestly. "I'm backup and I wont talk about it"?! Its timing was awful, he is not even under elimination pressure and we still had few days. he didn't even claim his role fully. Its just making no sense, not saying the claim is false, but I just don't get why he did it in such manner at all and I'm certainly not trusting the slot anymore than before.

here you a berating him for claiming. Just why? The first of your post is riding him for claiming but then you go on to say that "its not false" IYO. The only difference between our reactions is that you were already town reading him thus you believe his claim but I don't really understand why you are fussing at him.

I also don't get what "and I'm certainly not trusting the slot anymore than before" means.

I transparently explained my stance on hockey like a billion times so far. I feel like he is consistent with what he is doing if it seems goofy here and there.

The claim has literally 0 information or possibility for verify/validty check. It's literally the easiest fake claim anyone can do and it's not even complete. It just makes no sense to make such a claim when you're not even the one in danger of a certain elimination. So yeah. It makes no sense. It's another goofy play by hockey that makes reading him very complicated for me.

hence the "and I'm certainly not trusting the slot anymore than before". Like if there is one thing that should have no impact in either direction in game flow right now is that backup claim.

[Frozen Angel]

You know what actually

VOTE: Nero Cain

I want this more.

[Frozen Angel]

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr.

I really can't believe no one else is alarmed by this sentence. Like the way its phrased and everything just pings the hell outta me.

[Nero Cain]

It's literally the easiest fake claim anyone can do and it's not even complete.

So you are admitting that if he were scum its an ez to make fake claim but its scummy if I say the same thing?

[Nero Cain]

??? When did I say Dante was scum for scumreading Scorp, my reasons are in 370 and 450.

but

??? Out of all things to SR scorpious for, you choose this?!?!

but 370 says

??? Out of all things to SR scorpious for, you choose this?!?!

So that's how I interpreted it. Scorp has a history of posting contentless fluff posts and it's not hard to go from "this guy keeps posting contentless fluff." to "he must be scum" I mean, your other reasoning is that they weren't posting content for a while and ok sure but really seemed like you mostly suspected her for pushing Scorp. What's your read on him?

the eyes-angel back and forth on p.22 is terrible. Angel being hyper defensive about potentially being suspected for being a replace-in is a bad look.

VOTE: Eyes without a face

I think that’s E-2.

horrible

Greetings just blowing in the wind rn.

And I disagree with Fire that just b/c Greeting is mis-limmed alot doesn't mean they are above suspicion.

also not sure what to do about your half-ass claim

oh ok, FA is fence-sitting on the claim but calls me out for fence sitting. Project much?

but it still doesn't make sense if she was town reading Hockey. Why do you need to "do anything" about the claim?

"Oh yeah this theory works but we shouldn't be using it" is not a great post to be making
Fire comes off pretty towny here as well, the agression towards eyes isn't something I really see scum doing atm

considering that's not even what I said or that Fire isn't being aggressive towards eyes.

Especially with the literal
Lowest hanging fruit on the bottom..

This is just as bad as Adante’s early naked list.

I object to being called LHF. I mean yes, I oft get suspected as town for absolutely ridiculous reasoning but I think I'm a step above a large majority of the playerbase.

[Frozen Angel]

It's literally the easiest fake claim anyone can do and it's not even complete.

So you are admitting that if he were scum its an ez to make fake claim but its scummy if I say the same thing?

where did you say the same thing?!

You said mostly scum claim but also town does

how is what we said even similar?