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[Nero Cain]

I don't always ask others why they are town reading me.

Why didn't you ask DW?

[Frozen Angel]

I don't always ask others why they are town reading me.

Why didn't you ask DW?

that's Good question

@Dwlee forgot to ask you before as we were in a heated conversation with nero

can you elaborate on your read about me and nero?

now back to you nero, why wouldn't you be interested to know why another slot town reads you when they didn't specify any reasons for it? aren't you trying to understand their nature of reasonings and sort them?

[Dwlee99]

Y'all feeling townie rn

[Nero Cain]

Do you often ask why other slots are town reading you?

I mean obviously, when a scummy slot is town reading me I've been known to ask but usually I don't and I really don't think most players do. Like that backtrack so you don't look like a hypocrite.

[Frozen Angel]

Do you often ask why other slots are town reading you?

I mean obviously, when a scummy slot is town reading me I've been known to ask but usually I don't and I really don't think most players do. Like that backtrack so you don't look like a hypocrite.

You never gave any sort of read on andante actually now that I'm ISOing you.

Is there a reason that you didn't feel you need to comment on any of her posts or express your read on her?

and if she is null, how would she town reading you with no reason feel alright in your head?

[Eyes without a face]

Y'all feeling townie rn

How about a full readlist with some reasoning then?

[Scorpious]

VOTE ME

bored VT again?

[Frozen Angel]

Like It's screaming to me in my head that Nero clearly doesn't believe his own scum read on me. For someone who claims he was suspecting me since before and brings concern about my previous arguments, he doesn't even know what was my read on hockey when questioning it. and then things like calling me a hypocrite for not questioning dwlee when I asked him a very simple question about why he is not sorting andante for her read on him and he was reflexive when someone else questioned it.

It's just all fake

[Dwlee99]

Y'all feeling townie rn

How about a full readlist with some reasoning then?

LOL no

[Eyes without a face]

Y'all feeling townie rn

How about a full readlist with some reasoning then?

LOL no

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

[Dwlee99]

LOL no

[fireisredsir]

after reading this a couple times, imo Nero is the more "correct" one in this argument, but i don't know if that alone says anything about alignment. FA seems like the type to want to be "correct" in any argument she makes as maf, so the fact that she isn't (especially about the defensiveness around eyes, that whole thing read very defensive to me as well) may not actually mean a whole lot, she probably thinks she's right as either alignment. it would come down more to what arguments she chooses to take, and how she could use them to her advantage. FA, you seem like the type who usually likes to look beyond the surface level (which i like!), less about what looks scummy and more about would scum do this. can you talk about what you see as nero's scum motivation here? if you see him as misrepping you, what do you think he hopes to accomplish by doing that? i don't think nero scum is too unlikely, but i want to hear your reasoning

[Eyes without a face]

See? fire's 811 above is an example of a player wanting to give some sort of input regarding both sides and the subject they're arguing about whereas Dwlee just shrugs it off as tvt and doesn't want to give more about it. I hope that explains more why fire is on the green side to me while Dwlee is on the extreme red.

[fireisredsir]

Spoiler: Greeting position on eyes

I explained it before

Now about my own read so far is that it was weird and so sudden that they tried to use that to generate a read on that moment and if it's not their typical playstyle (which would be an awful one) and he had no other legit reasons behind it (especially since he specifically mentioned me when there were 3 other replace ins), it's pretty much fabricated.

I find the use of that theory in that specific moment when they got questioned to participate and their lack of mentioning all other replaced slots in-game with that theory fabricated.

it can be a fabrication as a lazy town who is like yeah I just say something cause I'm asked and see where that gets me (he even predicted he'll get heat for it)
or from a mafia who really can't engage as the conversation is town-dominated.

I actually think that I lean on the first right now but I have my doubts.

Just because something sounds not quite right or is simply incorrect doesn't necessarily mean it's fake, as in the person making the post doesn't believe in it. And that's why I'm leaning towards this being NAI.

When it comes to that slot, what interested me more than 413 was 217 for reasons described in by me in 483. But I am not fully convinced that this player is the best choice to eliminate today. Right now I'm feeling more strongly about

wavemode

.

Early townreads on both Andante and Dwlee for seemingly being the driving forces of the game getting out of RVS so quickly.

Well I know this is going to bring a lot of heat my way but I should let you all know I tend to suspect replacements more. I guess it was DGB (if memory serves me right) that once said if we eliminate all replacements town always wins (or something to that effect).

Anyway welcome FA.

Also @Andante I do appreciate the townread but something tells me I have yet to earn it. Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

Dwlee99 replaces LicketyQuickety.

yeap that's what I was trying to say.

Wait, it just struck me. You are right, that is a glaring sign of inconsistence that I missed.

I will wait for the vote count before I switch.

VOTE: Eyes without a face

I think that’s E-2.

Now I have a feeling both main wagons are town.

UNVOTE: Eyes without a face

@Greeting, please explain (in great detail!) your thought progression over the course of these posts, and also your thought process on why you chose not to explain yourself when voting and unvoting. and for those following along at home, please note that there are zero greeting posts in between 590 and 714, and zero since then

[Nero Cain]

Do you often ask why other slots are town reading you?

I mean obviously, when a scummy slot is town reading me I've been known to ask but usually I don't and I really don't think most players do. Like that backtrack so you don't look like a hypocrite.

You never gave any sort of read on andante actually now that I'm ISOing you.

Is there a reason that you didn't feel you need to comment on any of her posts or express your read on her?

and if she is null, how would she town reading you with no reason feel alright in your head?

true though in 531 I did say "

With the

exception of Andante

, I expect there to be multiple scum in this group.

I just don't play like that. I hunt for scum. If I find the scum then everyone else is town. I don't usually ask why others are town reading me and I don't think most other players ask and this line of questioning seems asinine to me.

and then things like calling me a hypocrite for not questioning dwlee

you know how on tv when a politician gets asked a hard q and their reply is "good question" its a stall and you know they are full of shit.

he doesn't even know what was my read on hockey when questioning it.

Coulda gotten you mixed up with someone else. I coulda swore you were town reading him hence the reason you weren't voting there. But I think having a null read there is kinda a cop out.

[Frozen Angel]

after reading this a couple times, imo Nero is the more "correct" one in this argument, but i don't know if that alone says anything about alignment. FA seems like the type to want to be "correct" in any argument she makes as maf, so the fact that she isn't (especially about the defensiveness around eyes, that whole thing read very defensive to me as well) may not actually mean a whole lot, she probably thinks she's right as either alignment. it would come down more to what arguments she chooses to take, and how she could use them to her advantage. FA, you seem like the type who usually likes to look beyond the surface level (which i like!), less about what looks scummy and more about would scum do this. can you talk about what you see as nero's scum motivation here? if you see him as misrepping you, what do you think he hopes to accomplish by doing that? i don't think nero scum is too unlikely, but i want to hear your reasoning

He did the same thing for both eyes and hockey in some senses in a similar manner. where he put himself by literally adding nothing to game like that is a safe distance from whatever is the result of flips. and best way to get out of pressure when someone calls him out of it is acting as the person calling them out had the same stance.

And no he is not right at all. My argument with eyes had literally nothing to do with defending me, I voted him when he claimed he never mentioned me right after his theory and was close to immediately ready to unvote him when he convinced me that it might have been the case in response, but then he said he wont vote to not gain heat and I decided to stay on him (hence the argument)

before that I was even in some sense calling it not inherently scummy and was even accused by dwlee for defending eye. how is that being defensive?

and no. I don't want to be always right. If I'm making a mistake I'm more than happy to acknowledge and re iterate my reads.

I think Nero is choosing the most convenient path regarding the major wagons and his approach toward my slot and his read on my slot were fabricated and fake based on the evidences I mentioned and I think that there is no town mindset that can justify them.

[Nero Cain]

also, you lied and said I never gave a read on Hockey so are you are in the same boat as me, hun.

[Frozen Angel]

In fairness, there actually is a theory that most replace outs are done by scum but bringing it up is dumb

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

Adding nothing to the main pressure points

Keeping a safe distance from both by throwing in information over any analysis.

Both posts are just awful and him repeating this attitude makes me almost certain he has an agenda with them to position himself in a spot where he can still redirect attention to others and stay safe from whatever result these flips will bring in later days.

[Frozen Angel]

also, you lied and said I never gave a read on Hockey so are you are in the same boat as me, hun.

I didn't lie. I didn't mean you previously didn't give a read on slot. I was talking about your reaction to that claim

You never followed up on your previous read about it now that he claimed. your entire reaction to a supposed scum read of yours who claimed backup was that "even though most likely scums claim but so does town" with literal no follow up.

how is that a town mindset with intention of sorting reacting to their voted read?

[Frozen Angel]

reacting to their voted read claim*

[Stephen A Smith]

I am always up for sending Dwlee to an early retirement home

[Nero Cain]

the vast majority of town, including myself, will think twice about voting a claimed pr hence "I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2" And it's why scum fakeclaim prs early game anyways.

Ofc you are claiming that town you will recklessly plow through a pr claim from a "scummy" player which I highly doubt you are telling the truth about b/c its bad town play. You are even going so far as to claim a backup isn't a pr. Which isn't true unless that's like a slip that he isn't actually a backup.

You also have a super convenient null read on him. So if he were flipped today then regardless of his flip you aren't connected. But then I think you said he's hard to read b/c he's "goofy" Hows that fence feel, Angel?

What I said and my stance is perfectly fine and valid.

[Scorpious]

Y'all feeling townie rn

How about a full readlist with some reasoning then?

LOL no

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

you're not going to get one,and with DW its totally NAI..

stop with this..

[fireisredsir]

@FA, from an outside perspective (me), your reaction to eyes looked defensive. you made a big leap in assuming that because he welcomed you after talking about the replacements, he was suspecting you, and your interactions surrounding that all read as very reactive to that. it's not defensive in the sense of "you attacked me, so I will attack you for it", but it is defensive in the sense of reading something that wasn't an attack as if it was one, and jumping on him for it. i do not believe that you would have responded to his posts in the same way if you were not one of the parties involved, and you perceived an attack/suspicion from him, so thus it looks defensive. you can say that in your own head you weren't acting defensively, but the fact that it looked that way to me makes me believe that it would look that way to others, including nero.

nero is still voting hockey. i read the post in question (694) as justifying him keeping his vote there, not the distancing as you claim. he's basically saying "yeah this doesn't really change things, scum could easily fakeclaim there. it might be technically best to hold off on the lim temporarily in case he is town pr". that's, like, an incredibly reasonable thing to say. i have no idea why it alarmed you so much. the fact that he has kept his vote there is the follow up that I think you're looking for, which is saying through his actions that he doesn't think the claim is currently enough to make him want to unvote

basically, i don't see your evidence as holding water, so i don't see his case as fabricated or fake

[fireisredsir]

oh mb he switched votes to FA, missed that. point still stands imo bc he was still voting hockey when you called him out for that post