Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Greeting]

Spoiler: Greeting position on eyes

I explained it before

Now about my own read so far is that it was weird and so sudden that they tried to use that to generate a read on that moment and if it's not their typical playstyle (which would be an awful one) and he had no other legit reasons behind it (especially since he specifically mentioned me when there were 3 other replace ins), it's pretty much fabricated.

I find the use of that theory in that specific moment when they got questioned to participate and their lack of mentioning all other replaced slots in-game with that theory fabricated.

it can be a fabrication as a lazy town who is like yeah I just say something cause I'm asked and see where that gets me (he even predicted he'll get heat for it)
or from a mafia who really can't engage as the conversation is town-dominated.

I actually think that I lean on the first right now but I have my doubts.

Just because something sounds not quite right or is simply incorrect doesn't necessarily mean it's fake, as in the person making the post doesn't believe in it. And that's why I'm leaning towards this being NAI.

When it comes to that slot, what interested me more than 413 was 217 for reasons described in by me in 483. But I am not fully convinced that this player is the best choice to eliminate today. Right now I'm feeling more strongly about

wavemode

.

Early townreads on both Andante and Dwlee for seemingly being the driving forces of the game getting out of RVS so quickly.

Well I know this is going to bring a lot of heat my way but I should let you all know I tend to suspect replacements more. I guess it was DGB (if memory serves me right) that once said if we eliminate all replacements town always wins (or something to that effect).

Anyway welcome FA.

Also @Andante I do appreciate the townread but something tells me I have yet to earn it. Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

Dwlee99 replaces LicketyQuickety.

yeap that's what I was trying to say.

Wait, it just struck me. You are right, that is a glaring sign of inconsistence that I missed.

I will wait for the vote count before I switch.

VOTE: Eyes without a face

I think that’s E-2.

Now I have a feeling both main wagons are town.

UNVOTE: Eyes without a face

@Greeting, please explain (in great detail!) your thought progression over the course of these posts, and also your thought process on why you chose not to explain yourself when voting and unvoting. and for those following along at home, please note that there are zero greeting posts in between 590 and 714, and zero since then

I have been consistently townreading

HockeyFan

, and so I think my position on that slot has already been explained.

As for

Eyes without a face

, I'll refer starting from the point where I stopped explaining in detail what I was thinking of that slot. For me it's always been trying to see what's scummy and what's towny about them and see what feeling prevails. When

Frozen Angel

correctly pointed out that

Eyes without a face

is being inconsistent (506) I felt like this weighed him down significantly and was more or less convinced to vote them out.

But then, both slots decided to claim early.

HockeyFan

claimed a power role in 638.

Eyes without a face

made this post in response:

btw, I'm at E-2, so I'll guess I'll claim,

I'm a backup of a role

I'm not gonna out anymore info about it unless I'm forced to

You probably should be voting me fi this is true. I hard claim VT. No big deal if I am the lim if you have a better role than mine.

I feel like both of these claims should be the center of attention right now. While

HockeyFan

's claim could be argued on - as in, what kind of backup he could be or whether it was appropriate for him to claim when not being at E-1, I simply think that a scum does not make 641. This interaction led me to believe that both wagons are wrong and suck. Right now I'm directing my attention elsewhere. I'll soon make a readslist as I believe I can exclude a certain portion of players from suspicion and look for scum amongst the others.

As for why I didn't post - both personal and in-game reasons. In-game reason being me handling poorly 1v1 arguments when I'm not part of them. They just start boring me really quickly and I find myself only skimming them.

[Scorpious]

Alright,here is the deal, I do not thave the patience to cut and clip to make points. If you think thats AI,fine.
I just dont have patience.

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

If you want to go through it and ask me how I feel specifically about something,please ask . I'm just time and technically limited to really express specefics. sorry.

"no real conviction" what does that mean exactly?

did you quote the right post?

[Scorpious]

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

this is a weird take. you don't like how he's commenting on what's going on with no conviction, but then acknowledge that he made reads as a result of it, but it doesn't count because that's what you expect? what? and you'd rather he spam the thread with individual posts rather than keeping them all together? didn't you just call out frozen and say that flooding a game can shut people out and hide yourself?

No, It's different, FA was quoting and commenting in real time. It's a lot easier to ingest. Wall posting a catch up over the course of time is much tougher for ME to comprehend, It's just that way my brain works. I t all starts to mesh together and I stop making connections. Could be what happened here to me,admittedly.

I guess for me my problem falls in the fact that their is some logical commentary there but there is just so much of it and it's intemingled with littlw quips. just hard for me to follow. I dont know how else to put it

[Greeting]

the vast majority of town, including myself, will think twice about voting a claimed pr hence "I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2"

And it's why scum fakeclaim prs early game anyways.

Ofc you are claiming that town you will recklessly plow through a pr claim from a "scummy" player which I highly doubt you are telling the truth about b/c its bad town play. You are even going so far as to claim a backup isn't a pr. Which isn't true unless that's like a slip that he isn't actually a backup.

You also have a super convenient null read on him. So if he were flipped today then regardless of his flip you aren't connected. But then I think you said he's hard to read b/c he's "goofy" Hows that fence feel, Angel?

What I said and my stance is perfectly fine and valid.

Really? I haven't seen scum fakeclaiming a PR early game like... ever. In fact, I'd say I haven't seen a lot of scum fakeclaiming PRs at all.

Please clarify if you think

HockeyFan

is fakeclaiming and if so then where does this leave you voting

Frozen Angel

instead.

[Greeting]

Eyes feels town for the way hes trying to push the game elsewhere

+1

I feel like

Eyes without a face

's response to his wagon and the gamestate has been towny.

[Greeting]

Why do u TR frozen

what out of that interaction did u find towny

Frozen Angel

has been hunting for inconsistencies and looking for hardest data one could find Day 1.

Like I had said before, it's not in the scum interest to pick an uphill battle and take down something that's easy. Like your wagon. It's just super easy to vote out someone because they haven't been paying attention too much. Or because you find it hard to keep up with the game. It's an easy elim, I've been in that position before too, when the truth was I was just unmotivated to play or found too many slots hard to read. Town could've just said whatever and jumped on you or your counterwagon.

Frozen Angel

is clearly going in a direction of her own and I think that a scum has no reason to do that on MafiaScum. Here you have games where people can literally throw votes with no justification whatsoever and it's considered a valid playstyle (see Mini Normal 2257; Day 1). I'd say that facilitating this gameplay creates a favorable climate for scum to thrive in. Which is why I like this game - even just the two posts I made earlier today/yesterday evening where I didn't elaborate on my actions too much were called out.

Frozen Angel

's actions, even if her argument with

Nero Cain

was going in circles, are giving town an advantage and I don't see a reason for me to believe her actions aren't genuine.

[wavemode]

Alright,here is the deal, I do not thave the patience to cut and clip to make points. If you think thats AI,fine.
I just dont have patience.

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

If you want to go through it and ask me how I feel specifically about something,please ask . I'm just time and technically limited to really express specefics. sorry.

"no real conviction" what does that mean exactly?

did you quote the right post?

yes, I did lol that exact quote appears in your post

and I'm not entirely sure what you meant by it

[wavemode]

I simply think that a scum does not make 641

the fact that you think that is exactly why scum would do it

I can link you games where scum did it, since you seem to not have been lied to enough and thus are too trusting of humanity

[Greeting]

I simply think that a scum does not make 641

the fact that you think that is exactly why scum would do it

I can link you games where scum did it, since you seem to not have been lied to enough and thus are too trusting of humanity

Go ahead! I'll read them.

[Scorpious]

Alright,here is the deal, I do not thave the patience to cut and clip to make points. If you think thats AI,fine.
I just dont have patience.

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

If you want to go through it and ask me how I feel specifically about something,please ask . I'm just time and technically limited to really express specefics. sorry.

"no real conviction" what does that mean exactly?

did you quote the right post?

yes, I did lol that exact quote appears in your post

and I'm not entirely sure what you meant by it

forgive me, I've been here since 8. I just feel like anyone one repping in could have just wrote those comments verbatim, there was no real independent thought just piggy backing off of others independent thoughts, they felt mailed in.

Again,sorry for being dense, office has me drained today

[Scorpious]

and there has been no real effort since, I'd probably be more ok with that slot if it wasnt for that last lazy question then bouncing out.

regardless, when do we consider limming that slot? as of now i feel we lose nothing except a place for scum to hide,and who knows,maybe we get lucky.

[Scorpious]

Curious to the reaction to this statement...

But.

What if Eyes is right about this one?

[Eyes without a face]

I hate to hyper caps in asking DW for a list though.. hate it..

WHY? BECAUSE I'M VERY AGRESSIVE PLAYER?

no, I just hate reading in all caps.

Caps Lock is not cruise control for cool.

Ok now I'm genuinely confused because I can't tell if you're blind, delusional or outright dumb. Here's the post I wrote earlier:

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

Now if you're blind and using a program to transform text to sound then I understand and I sincerely apologize for bringing it up. Large/bolded text often give the impression someone is shouting which is the same as writing in all caps and since the program was shouting at you you're excused

If you're delusional and can't tell the difference between bolded enlarged text and writing in all caps the onus is on you. You cannot produce that post by simply pressing the caps lock or pressing shift with every stroke but you ca4n probably do it by pressing the caps lock AND pressing shift with every keystroke which is also quite dumb)

Finally if you're dumb and forgot what it was to begin with because you were actually FAKING it all along then I don't know what to say except GOOD LUCK coming out of that ditch you digged for yourself.

Now please tell me the truth: Are you BLIND; DELUSIONAL, or OUTRIGHT DUMB? Asking for a friend.. or a bunch of them maybe

[Frozen Angel]

I know I said I check here tomorrow but couldn't resist

jfc too many posts, too much reading,

I was able to read it like 2 times but omfg

Anyways,

The only thing I understood from frozens pov was 754, and even then i'm not understanding what u mean by this. whose slot does nero have "more" info on? He still thinks im scum but is hesistant to vote me for my claim. Wheres the extra info in that?

the rest is mechanics disucssion, talking about how my claim is the "easiest" to make and its stupid

Frzoen, iirc during that entire interaction, u kept on mentuoning how u "analyzed" my claim so; what exactly did u anaylze? All ive seen u say is " my claim half done and is not verifiable but It lines up with the rest of his "goofy" play, so hes null" ???? U just beat around the bush for that read rofl

Also as for nero, at a first glance, thier posts seem pretty towny, they have a consistent mindset(I think), but ik they have a lot of experience so shrug probs just a null to a town lean

I literally explained everything like 10 times. from what is my read on you, what I meant by goofy, why I cum read nero, what was my take on your read (which is practically not at all what you just said even in slightest, that was the part nero was taking out of context repeatedly to claim how our reads were similar)

there is literally nothing in this post of yours that is actually even remotely related to whatever I posted in past 24 hours and it kinda pisses me off to a point cause regardless of your alignment you could actually try to read and then comment

and no that tiny irrelivent part I mentioned is not stupid. You had no reason to claim when you did and with what you did, as your claim means nothing. a back up is literally a VT at this point of game so there is literally no justification to even call you a power role. that + how you didn't even claim what kind of role you're backing up. claiming backup theoretically leaves a scum player open to adjust their claim based on later on flips so they can claim results that will confuse town. for example claiming a back up cop after a cop flips giving out a red claim on a mafia player and getting partner eliminated. it practically leaves a mafia to adjust their claim to whatever comes next. What you claimed mechanically is the easiest fake claim a mafia can do.

As for your question about the info I claimed nero has, he has been calling you mafia, dodging the tension of your wagon with that sentence that I got fixated on and called terrible that started whole thing and then shifted his vote on me the moment I called him out on it after few posts of shading leading up to it. He never ever ever expressed any sort of read on my slot beside his vote, which was a direct reaction to me calling him out on it. and the reason he went on that direction was because he was trying to imply during this day "we did exact similar things" (he was trying to say my reaction and his was same to your claim and to eye's theory) which is the most absurd reason to vote someone. Nero is not in experienced. Nero doesn't play like that as town

so nero's push on my slot is fake and his dodges of the most attention wagons of the day to jump on me comes from his informed position. all these stuff said Nero should be mafia.

@

Frozen Angel

don't use the l-word to refer to voting out a player. It's banned. Use "eliminate" instead.

and sorry about that. I tried to use elimination everytime I remembered but its old habits and I just came back after years to this website. I'll do my best

and sorry that I couldn't keep this brief

[Scorpious]

I hate to hyper caps in asking DW for a list though.. hate it..

WHY? BECAUSE I'M VERY AGRESSIVE PLAYER?

no, I just hate reading in all caps.

Caps Lock is not cruise control for cool.

Ok now I'm genuinely confused because I can't tell if you're blind, delusional or outright dumb. Here's the post I wrote earlier:

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

Now if you're blind and using a program to transform text to sound then I understand and I sincerely apologize for bringing it up. Large/bolded text often give the impression someone is shouting which is the same as writing in all caps and since the program was shouting at you you're excused

If you're delusional and can't tell the difference between bolded enlarged text and writing in all caps the onus is on you. You cannot produce that post by simply pressing the caps lock or pressing shift with every stroke but you ca4n probably do it by pressing the caps lock AND pressing shift with every keystroke which is also quite dumb)

Finally if you're dumb and forgot what it was to begin with because you were actually FAKING it all along then I don't know what to say except GOOD LUCK coming out of that ditch you digged for yourself.

Now please tell me the truth: Are you BLIND; DELUSIONAL, or OUTRIGHT DUMB? Asking for a friend.. or a bunch of them maybe

"Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

I guess I'm just dumb.. and it's "dug".. not "digged"

[Eyes without a face]

@Frozen: Are you reading anything I post? because I get the feeling you always post after I do and almost never address the same subject I address only to come back later to claim I'm doing nothing

[Eyes without a face]

I guess I'm just dumb.. and it's "dug".. not "digged"

[wavemode]

Go ahead! I'll read them.

I regularly see scum try to act like they don't care if people vote them. it's such a common tactic it really just doesn't phase me anymore


in a mini normal I played a while back, here's flavor leaf (boonskies) self-voting as scum: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p9543318

a decent last-ditch effort, all things considered. he knew he was probably going down anyway (kind of like eyes knows he is now). though, it worked. GR was eliminated instead (though GR was also scum lol)


and here's eyes without nostrils himself! playing scum and very overdramatically threatening to self vote, "to help you all see the light": https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10911685

it did not work though, he was still eliminated day 1 that game

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't feel the need to comment about your ramble about how scorpious is confusing bold enlarge the text with all-cap text.

I followed your scorpious read and what you asked about dwlee and I appreciate how you're starting to question things but would like to see you still more engaged about your reads. Like for instance my only take away from your read on dwlee is that you didn't like dwlee's reaction. you felt you want to see his reads and he refused to make a list for you. now what?

[Frozen Angel]

see their read/ they*

I'm so sorry dwlee

sorry again for pronouns I really need to double check posts before sending them. and I really need sleep

[Eyes without a face]

Now we argue about goofy stuff for pages of course

[Eyes without a face]

Now if you'll excuse me while I demote you two notches on my list because you were never this bad when we used to play together more often @FA

[Frozen Angel]

I explained what I meant when I used the term goofy. can ISO me and find

Now if you'll excuse me while I demote you two notches on my list because you were never this bad when we used to play together more often @FA

We did?

[Eyes without a face]

Updated read list:

Eyes without a face
HockeyFan
the worst 0verki11
Andante
Greeting
fireisredsir
Stephen A Smith arcadia
Frozen Angel T3
Umlaut Surye
Nero Cain UglyDuck
wavemode
Scorpious
Dwlee99 LicketyQuickety


Nero was 2nd bottom then Scorpious managed to outdo him, and then wave appeared frustrated about the way I'm driving things while Nero himself was ignoring me. Again, in my experience Nero is confrontational as both alignments, but he plays nice when not provoked as scum while he himself provokes others when he's town. As scum though when FoS'd he's outraged and would throw everything back at the aggressor while ignoring or ridiculing the read are the more common options for his town play

[Eyes without a face]

Now if you'll excuse me while I demote you two notches on my list because you were never this bad when we used to play together more often @FA

We did?

For all you know I could be RC and you wouldn't know it. lmao