open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[catboi]

Both skitter and Datisi have been pushing these shallow wagonomics theories which I hate because I think wagonomics is bunk

Dont think its bunk, it works p well as a tool ime if u know how to read it

I just dont really see a lot of games with a big eod scramble where *none* of the people involved are scum

It doesn't feel like a scramble though, at least not as much as the end of day 2 does - people just stacked up on the wagons we'd been stuck on mostly all day

and do you have any sort of thoughts on the vote movement stuff from Day 2 I brought up since we had a wagon on confirmed scum that fell apart?

[skitter30]

Yeah that's what i was reading through earlier/the timeframe on the posts i quoted, and my conclusion is that you dont look super partnered with mena (esp. since you stuck with him once other people moved off), i dont think kaiji is scum, and i dont like alyssa's cakez vote there

[skitter30]

I've seen people scumread me for that Menalque slot read

Idk what to tell you about that one, it's simply more productive to kill slots that give more information about the game than slots that have done zilch in that situation, if you want to scumread me for not wanting to kill a slot that has nothing readable that happened to be scum in a gamestate that was extremely lethargic with multiple unreadable slots, idk what to tell you there at that point

Ig dats doesnt like great for jumping on and off either

[Something_Smart]

Do you realize that it would look absolutely terrible to have a claimed cop surviving overnight? And that if that were the plan for some reason, I'd just immediately roll over and let myself die rather than fighting back? This is just an incredibly farfetched scenario

Like, aren't you supposed to be good with mechanics?

Do you understand what I'm arguing? I'm saying that IF you/Mena were both scum, then probably you are the vengeful. I'm not making any claim about the likelihood of you being scum (in fact, I think this makes you less likely to be scum because you are right that you are unlikely to draft vengeful). I agree with you on this, and on the previous point you made; if it's not melo, the cop being allowed to survive would indeed make no sense. If it is melo, it would be more reasonable for that slot to be left alive because it makes some sense as a scum target. That's why I doubt that you would be scum except if you were a vengeful.

Another way to rephrase the claim I'm making is that I don't think you're a goon. Does that make more sense? (Amusingly, a literal interpretation of your objection would imply that you are claiming you

are

a goon. But of course I assume you are objecting to the hypothetical, or just misunderstanding me completely.)

[catboi]

i need to go but i am uncertain why you're saying "catboi and mena aren't aligned because catboi started the mena wagon" when mena was being less than useless and we all know how catboi acts towards his scumbuddies

same argument for the guilty, was mena ever really winning that

i'll revisit this sequence of events later today, i gotta run now, but by this cursory glance, i am Not A Fan

like, why did mena claim to have cleared you when it was clear from reading his iso for 15 seconds that he didn't have a clear on you

he was meant to die there

how is nobody talking about this

okay there's a few major problems here and tha is that I would have absolutely no idea how a guilty claim would be received, because

most of the time

, people vote the guilty, not the one claiming the guilty. I

definitely

could not have predicted "town paralyzes itself into indecision and we go to deadline without an elimination". secondly, why would I tell my teammate to take a dive for me

when that makes me look so much worse

? Thirdly, why go through that shit at all, when I could just...

not

, and leave myself flexible rather than forcing a 1v1 between scum? That's just an absurd amount of unnecessary attention drawn to myself that I absolutely would be avoiding and I feel like you should know this

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm leaning back towards Datisi being just scum again

[catboi]

Do you realize that it would look absolutely terrible to have a claimed cop surviving overnight? And that if that were the plan for some reason, I'd just immediately roll over and let myself die rather than fighting back? This is just an incredibly farfetched scenario

Like, aren't you supposed to be good with mechanics?

Do you understand what I'm arguing? I'm saying that IF you/Mena were both scum, then probably you are the vengeful. I'm not making any claim about the likelihood of you being scum (in fact, I think this makes you less likely to be scum because you are right that you are unlikely to draft vengeful). I agree with you on this, and on the previous point you made; if it's not melo, the cop being allowed to survive would indeed make no sense. If it is melo, it would be more reasonable for that slot to be left alive because it makes some sense as a scum target. That's why I doubt that you would be scum except if you were a vengeful.

Another way to rephrase the claim I'm making is that I don't think you're a goon. Does that make more sense? (Amusingly, a literal interpretation of your objection would imply that you are claiming you

are

a goon. But of course I assume you are objecting to the hypothetical, or just misunderstanding me completely.)

Yes I think the hypothetical is borderline nonsensical an doesn't make sense for you to be talking about here

[skitter30]

I'm leaning back towards Datisi being just scum again

Ya maybe he is
But then he decided to collide with pooky and pick multitasking for the lolz

[Something_Smart]

If you expect me to be doing anything other than considering weird hypotheticals at a critical point in the game I've got bad news for you

I don't think it's borderline nonsense, it is reasonable to consider you as potential scum here, and I do think that out of all the catboi-scum scenarios that one is closest to making sense.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

you have to bend over backwards in some way to make just about any team work

[Alyssa The Lamb]

this is kinda like back when everyone who was being scumread would go into why they don't make any sense by play as being scum

and so it makes all of the arguments meaningless because it just means that someone played differently from how they normally would as scum

[Datisi]

I feel like you should know this

how does mena taking a dive for you make you look *worse*? and i am not aware since when should i be aware of you not doing theatre with buddies and not bussing them into the ground, that's news to me

[Something_Smart]

But then he decided to collide with pooky and pick multitasking for the lolz

There is a chance, albeit a small one, that Pooky submitted that last-minute without Datisi's permission.

They are different timezones I believe, and I don't like to consider that the scumteam isn't necessarily working in unison but sometimes they don't.

Doesn't really move the needle much for me, but it's not impossible.

[Datisi]

I'm leaning back towards Datisi being just scum again

Ya maybe he is
But then he decided to collide with pooky and pick multitasking for the lolz

it's almost as if i've been the weak link this whole game and i'm the easiest person to push

what's the difference between that post from alyssa, and that one post from kaiji you didn't like bc it was telegraphing they were gonna vote you or whatever

[catboi]

I'm leaning back towards Datisi being just scum again

Ya maybe he is
But then he decided to collide with pooky and pick multitasking for the lolz

weren't you just arguing that s_s would intentionally collide?

[catboi]

If you expect me to be doing anything other than considering weird hypotheticals at a critical point in the game I've got bad news for you

I don't think it's borderline nonsense, it is reasonable to consider you as potential scum here, and I do think that out of all the catboi-scum scenarios that one is closest to making sense.

That sounds like you're stretching to justify a read you know is bad

[Something_Smart]

What, you being town?

[catboi]

I feel like you should know this

how does mena taking a dive for you make you look *worse*? and i am not aware since when should i be aware of you not doing theatre with buddies and not bussing them into the ground, that's news to me

because if a teammate just rolls over and dies it's way more obviously a bus

but I don't even know how you can argue that it was intentional when Enchant was very clearly trying and very naerly got me yeeted (the game has been going on long enough that I actually forgot about Enchant for a minute)

like yes lolcatboivotedscummusthavebussed but I absolutely

hate

when teammates try to unnecessarily distance from me and mena was clearly trying to get me killed even before he fakeclaimed, I do not have the spotlight put on me unnecesssarily

[catboi]

What, you being town?

I thought you had me in your most likely scumteam?

[Something_Smart]

Yes, but the upshot of this analysis is that it makes you less likely to be scum, because it means you would have had to pick vengeful, and I'm in agreement with you that that's a weird choice for you.

[Datisi]

very naerly got me yeeted

the most votes you were on is 2 out of needed 5 so uhh

[Datisi]

meh, if catboi is town, who is scum

alyssa/skitter?

am i ignoring the possibility of s_s being scum because i am happy about someone having enough common sense to know that i don't double up on number choices? maybe

[Alyssa The Lamb]

something something pooky something something unpredictable something something blah

[skitter30]

But then he decided to collide with pooky and pick multitasking for the lolz

There is a chance, albeit a small one, that Pooky submitted that last-minute without Datisi's permission.

They are different timezones I believe, and I don't like to consider that the scumteam isn't necessarily working in unison but sometimes they don't.

Doesn't really move the needle much for me, but it's not impossible.

Eh i dont see that universe tbh. If they were scum together the colliding would have been intentional imo

[skitter30]

what's the difference between that post from alyssa, and that one post from kaiji you didn't like bc it was telegraphing they were gonna vote you or whatever

Not sure what you're asking, in what way are they similar?