Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[fireisredsir]

uh in the posts I was talking about, 228 to 405

[Umlaut]

Oh, I thought you were saying he "soften[ed] toward null"

after

stating a townread. Gotcha.

VOTE: Stephen A Smith until they convince me they're town.

Greeting, when did Stephen convince you he was town?

[Frozen Angel]

I also felt scum also jumped on nero wagon at some point too but that literally makes me more confident that it has a great chance to flip red.

I think it goes without saying that me getting to L-1 and now have like 5 votes in the matter of 7 or 8 hours means scum are all over me

This is just a mafia begging others to dismantle the wagon on him. Litteraly coming in with 0 input about the wagon on him, just commenting on how fast it got built.

and then going after the topic vote and instantly vote it too without even ISOing the slot to see if they were previously suspecting him or not

the vast majority of town, including myself, will think twice about voting a claimed pr hence "I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2"

And it's why scum fakeclaim prs early game anyways.

Ofc you are claiming that town you will recklessly plow through a pr claim from a "scummy" player which I highly doubt you are telling the truth about b/c its bad town play. You are even going so far as to claim a backup isn't a pr. Which isn't true unless that's like a slip that he isn't actually a backup.

You also have a super convenient null read on him. So if he were flipped today then regardless of his flip you aren't connected. But then I think you said he's hard to read b/c he's "goofy" Hows that fence feel, Angel?

What I said and my stance is perfectly fine and valid.

Really? I haven't seen scum fakeclaiming a PR early game like... ever. In fact, I'd say I haven't seen a lot of scum fakeclaiming PRs at all.

Please clarify if you think

HockeyFan

is fakeclaiming and if so then where does this leave you voting

Frozen Angel

instead.

He has been posting about suspecting nero - practically earlier than anyone else but me in remote manner and I totally felt her thought process there even if they were not written in words.

For nero to just jump on that counter wagon by just this logic that "greeting is a harder vote than scorp is" is just absurd. This is not him analyzing the wagon that was formed on himself. This is nothing at all but just pushing another slot.

Need to see nero flip red still and I just can't see it not happen the more we go through this day.

@Umlaut I literally had no idea what either of them were doing there. Andante's inconsistency with having the idea of "townreading nero" there is just pingging the hell out of me. If anyone is bussying its her.

But then as Andante also mentioned, scorp push back on the slot there felt like a scum trying to tunnel and set something up. Things like 1314 of him going so backward suddenly, or 1271, not remembering the events related to the wagon as he put Nero on E-1 again after the unvote of adante himself just feels fake.

So it's like I scum read them both to the degree that I actually am certain there is scum there as well in addition to nero being another scum. It all just makes sense for other scum(s) to become suddenly so playful on his wagon when it was so close to elimination point.

Spoiler:

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok, one example is post 1234, as FA called out. making that post makes no sense coming from a perspective of still townreading Nero. another example is you scumread scorp earlier in the game to the point where you said "almost no chance" that he's town, and then just recently you said your scumread on him was a recent thing.

I was TRing scorp earlier today when we had this moment of like agreement, so yeah this sr is a new thing

Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

yeah

So all I gotta do is TR you and we're good?

She doesn't town read nero at all

I do though...

You left him on L-1!!!

If you're gonna iso him it should be YOU unvoting not FA..

I unvoted before FA, what are you even talking about?

fair this just got so chaotic, my bad..

I literally can't do anything and not end up with a tunnel vision on Nero in this game It has to be for a good reason. The guy is literally pinging me with every single thing he does or others does about him

[Frozen Angel]

Like nero developed literally 0 read in this game on either side. He is fence-sitting on all slots practically.

Never took initiation with any read

, neither on me, neither against greeting here nor with his top scumreads hockey, scorp, eye, greeting

There is literally 0 posts in Nero's ISO about andante but this:

I like this post very much. Maybe I should look into Nero Cain after all?

it was dumb when she said it and it's still dumb when you agreed with it.

VOTE: Andante

Dante is scummy for scum reading Scorp?

It's also an interesting coincidence that I blasted you for not voting and then you vote...

Frozen Angel [1]: HockeyFan
Greeting [1]: Eyes without a face
Stephen A Smith [1]: Greeting
Andante [1]: Scorpious

not voting [3]: 0verki11, Frozen Angel, Andante

Andante [2]: Scorpious, HockeyFan
Greeting [1]: Eyes without a face
wavemode [1]: Greeting

not voting [3]: 0verki11, Frozen Angel, Andante

like all these players being useless with thier vote. With the exception of Andante, I expect there to be multiple scum in this group.

where he literally gave 0 analysis again, throwing shade on a lot of people "eye, greeting, scorpions, hockey me and overkill" but excluded andante from it for some reason. He is literally mentioning half the game and whoever was suspected by someone else without literally saying anything about any of the slots to give him options to push in the future and claim yeah I was calling them out without actually calling anyone out.

and like always so conservative reacting to whatever happens in-game, even the wagon against himself. Like dude,

people literally voted you for no reason

, someone literally vote you despite repeatedly saying the town read you and you didn't even mention them? "Hey, there is scum on my wagon for how fast it was created" This is not even an analysis. It's just throwing information out in form of a guess while literally targeting 7 slots again without forming any kind of read on any of them and then he proceeds to literally break down the post greeting made with a vote on his style without even ISOing greeting just cause she was getting the momentum by fire at the same time.

I would look for scum in nero's slot and on his wagon at the same time with all this.

[Frozen Angel]

how do you propose we sort frozen/nero?

By ....voting one of them?

nero flips town: then what?
nero flips scum: then what?
frozen flips town: then what?
frozen flips scum: then what?

i don't think this is something that is resolved by flipping one of them. i think flipping one of them to try and solve it instead of flipping scum is pointless, when we can just flip scum.

Then go back on Nero He is flipping red

[Nero Cain]

exactly what I expect from scum hoping to let a miselim go through without getting blamed for it

how would I not be blamed? If I'm sitting on the wagon and it goes through I'm just as responsible as everyone else on the wagon. Saying what I said doesn't absolve me from responcibility.

comes out badly in back-and-forth with FA

I know that everyone can have wildly different interpretations but there are quite a few that are saying that I look better than FA and I think its wild but you also caught so I'm not sure how you can say this but then again you are just sheeping Frozen's case.

[fireisredsir]

I also felt scum also jumped on nero wagon at some point too but that literally makes me more confident that it has a great chance to flip red.

this alone should tell you that you are falling victim to confirmation bias. in no unbiased world should scum jumping on a wagon, especially on day 1, make you MORE confident that the slot is maf. you're in too deep. it's fine to argue that it's believable that they're bussing, or explain how it still can make sense with your prior view of things, no problem. but there is no way to argue using any logic or rational approach that it increases the probability of nero being scum. there is nothing to support that idea

[Frozen Angel]

I also felt scum also jumped on nero wagon at some point too but that literally makes me more confident that it has a great chance to flip red.

this alone should tell you that you are falling victim to confirmation bias. in no unbiased world should scum jumping on a wagon, especially on day 1, make you MORE confident that the slot is maf. you're in too deep. it's fine to argue that it's believable that they're bussing, or explain how it still can make sense with your prior view of things, no problem. but there is no way to argue using any logic or rational approach that it increases the probability of nero being scum. there is nothing to support that idea

There is nothing to support that idea "More" in there.

I scam read the slot for literally everything else - which is not even related to how others reacted to him - if you read what I just wrote up there. I just find it interesting that such shitshow happened around the e-1 vote on nero wagon and never on other slots in this game. don't you find it alarming at all?

[Frozen Angel]

Like I don't scum read nero because andante was scummy with her vote on his wagon and what she did right after. I scum read nero pretty individually and I scum read andante for doing what she did at the same time

same with scorpious

[fireisredsir]

I know you scum read him for other reasons. but said that you felt scum were jumping on the wagon, and that made you more confident of him being scum. are you taking that back now?

[Frozen Angel]

I know you scum read him for other reasons. but said that you felt scum were jumping on the wagon, and that made you more confident of him being scum. are you taking that back now?

No There was a reason that shit show happened on his wagon. and how the wagoin is getting dismantled right now, without him actually reacting to it under pressure.

I really want his flip even more now because of it. call me out for a confirmation bias or whatever but he is not flipping green in this

[Dwlee99]

Nero? Rabbit? Yay or nay?

[Nero Cain]

Greeting didn't "suspect" me until you did. Dude's been budding you and following you around. 228 and his stephan vote were bad. I didn't need to ISO him to know his vote was a scum vote.

[Nero Cain]

Nero? Rabbit? Yay or nay?

not sure what I am answering but I do like rabbits.

[Frozen Angel]

Greeting didn't "suspect" me until you did. Dude's been budding you and following you around. 228 and his stephan vote were bad. I didn't need to ISO him to know his vote was a scum vote.

"Greeting didn't "suspect" me until you did."

yes but it doesn't mean his vote post was where he started pushing on you or that he is slot for sweeping my read an agreeing with it. He even clearly posted somewhere why he thinks my analysis makes my slot town in his mind and literally expressed how unsure he is about your slot and why

And then the voting post was what you reacted to vote the slot for. You are accusing the slot for not explaining what they meant when they voted you. how would you not be curious to if they actually explained it or not?

[Nero Cain]

wavemode
Andante
Dwlee99
the worst
Nero Cain
Umlaut
Scorpious
fireisredsir
Eyes without a face
Frozen Angel
Stephen A Smith
Greeting
HockeyFan

There might be a scum or even two amongst those coloured light green. I'm just unable to spot them yet.

Greeting has opened himself to being willing to vote all but 3 players. If thats not scum keeping his options open then I don't know what is.

[Frozen Angel]

also greeting not suspecting you until after I started pushing you makes him scummy because ... ?

[Frozen Angel]

wavemode
Andante
Dwlee99
the worst
Nero Cain
Umlaut
Scorpious
fireisredsir
Eyes without a face
Frozen Angel
Stephen A Smith
Greeting
HockeyFan

There might be a scum or even two amongst those coloured light green. I'm just unable to spot them yet.

Greeting has opened himself to being willing to vote all but 3 players. If thats not scum keeping his options open then I don't know what is.

are you just mirroring my accusation against you again

how is that different from what you did and I explicitly mentioned right above for you?

and how is having different read list tiers scummy in any way? How do you find this read list scummy at all because of the different tier lists and no individual read he gave there?

[Nero Cain]

also greeting not suspecting you until after I started pushing you makes him scummy because ... ?

you do know that scum will go with whatevers popular, right? Also you are accusing me of that so I don't see how it applies to me but not him.

[Frozen Angel]

also greeting not suspecting you until after I started pushing you makes him scummy because ... ?

you do know that scum will go with whatevers popular, right? Also you are accusing me of that so I don't see how it applies to me but not him.

How was that the popular opinion at the time?

Greeting was the only other person back then when he went after you when I started calling you scum

I'm accusing you of not developing a read on greeting based on greeting's content and just hoping on that wagon when you're pressured. how were these two similar in anyway and how is greeting suspecting you after I suspected you makes greeting scummy?

[Nero Cain]

ok so, I felt like you, scorp, hockey, eyes, overkill and greeting were being useless with your vote. It's scumhunting and not the contentless void you are trying to claim it is. It gave myself a very defined and limited number of slots that I can and wanted to vote and that's not something that scum does. Also, consider that wavemode was scumreadng me at the time (and maybe still is idk)

and you want to know what the real kicker is? You agree with me. You are scum reading scorp now and you were scum reading eyes, are you still?


Greeting has 6 ungreened names he'd vote and then follows up with "oh I could be wrong about these other 4."

But if you think what him and I did are the same then why is mine scummy and his isn't?

[Nero Cain]

"greeting agreeing with me is developing a read but Nero calling bullshit isn't a read"

but also the whole idea that one has to have a previous scum read on a slot to find said slot scummy is junk

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think what you and he did are the same.

I found them both awful for different reasons actually

greetings readlist doesn't have much content going on in it, But It's his try to share his mindset overall mainly to show the slots he trust not the slots he suspects so you're trying to look at it at the opposite angle and pushing it like its his try to keep a possible option to vote on multiple slots is absolutely moot

What you did however during the game on multiple occasions was dropping lists of names of people who you would vote in between for different non-anlytic reasons such as the one I mentioned above. It's practically what scum does to look like they are solving the game while keeping their options open.

So between the slots in game so far you radiated slight suspicion for or directly suspected hockey, eye, greeting, me, overkill and scorp and can't literally find anything ever said about any other slot. Thats whats fencesitting on a bunch of reads and using whichever you find appropriate based on the current mind state of others in game is. but then again I would not be accusing you of that if your reads were not "they are scum unless if they are town" for both eye and hockey. Couldn't understand or follow how you scumread eyes at all as well as I could not follow how you developed any sort of scum read on me

and now jumping on greeting again for that shallow read and then you acting certain with it without anything being there in your post "investigating how they suspicion on you was formed" is just not making any sense from a town mindset

[Datisi]

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