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[the worst]

let's recap this conversation

scorp: I now scumread wavemode, because his reads didn't change enough since an arbitrary number of posts ago
wave: um... so?
scorp: (doesn't answer)
wave: so? how does that make someone scum?
scorp: well it means if you're town, you must be stubborn town
wave: uhhh okay...? also, why not scumread other people who have stuck with their reads all game?
scorp: uh well, they didnt post lists
wave: ummm so because they didn't post lists you weren't keeping track of anyone's reads? why not?
scorp: well, I was keeping track of their reads
wave: okay, so... what are their reads? and why don't you scumread them?
scorp: (doesn't answer)
scorp: by the way what's been the most significant things that's happened this game?
wave: wtf kind of question is that? alright whatever, here's an example
scorp: that's a bad example

i don't think anybody needed this to realise Scorp is clowning but thanks

[Scorpious]

Wave-
You have Nero and Eyes with me the dreaded red lettering.

Why do you scum read them, are we the scum team, and for bonus points. What would either of those two have to do to move up on your list. And how many clicks would it get them to also

And where on “la list Italiano” is the line? Is it half way through the white? I mean you got 5 null reads according to your most graciously National expression of reads, after 1700 posts. Like , realy. Null on all of them ?

[wavemode]

you clearly aren't looking at the latest list

[wavemode]

i don't think anybody needed this to realise Scorp is clowning but thanks

half the players in this game are not really reading it anymore, sadly

[the worst]

Wave-
You have Nero and Eyes with me the dreaded red lettering.

Why do you scum read them, are we the scum team, and for bonus points. What would either of those two have to do to move up on your list. And how many clicks would it get them to also

And where on “la list Italiano” is the line? Is it half way through the white? I mean you got 5 null reads according to your most graciously National expression of reads, after 1700 posts. Like , realy. Null on all of them ?

i'm still reading your posts in john dimaggio's voice fyi

[wavemode]

i don't think you should be townreading him for it. im not. but it is giving me doubt, and i don't think that you should have the level of certainty that you're expressing here

I don't think you should be expressing such certainty in greeting

scorp is really our best lim at this point

[fireisredsir]

im not certain of greeting, i think he's more likely tho. who do you think are scorp's partners?

[Scorpious]

Wave-
You have Nero and Eyes with me the dreaded red lettering.

Why do you scum read them, are we the scum team, and for bonus points. What would either of those two have to do to move up on your list. And how many clicks would it get them to also

And where on “la list Italiano” is the line? Is it half way through the white? I mean you got 5 null reads according to your most graciously National expression of reads, after 1700 posts. Like , realy. Null on all of them ?

i'm still reading your posts in john dimaggio's voice fyi

I’m so disappointed about them and the new futurama. Money messes everything up.

[Scorpious]

wave just wondering have you looked at any of scorpio's past games

lightly but I haven't combed through them. to be perfectly honest with you I don't pay that much attention to meta these days. it's just so unreliable

that's something I tried to argue with mathdino about in an open we played not too long ago, when he was hard townreading uglyduck on the basis of meta (and basically telling me I needed to back off) but I persisted and pushed through uglyduck's elimination anyway and he was scum. meh

i don't think you should be townreading him for it. im not. but it is giving me doubt, and i don't think that you should have the level of certainty that you're expressing here

Any criticism is welcome. I apparently walk around every game with a neon sign that says scum over me, please post game, any advice is welcomed.

[wavemode]

who do you think are scorp's partners?

oh, god, not you too

you really expect me to believe he's town on the basis of his interactions with my other scumreads? when nobody has actually flipped yet? and it could all be bussing anyway? you actually think that makes any sense?

[fireisredsir]

why are you interpreting that as me saying he's town? i want to know who you think are possibilities for his partners. that's a normal thing that town should be thinking about here, no?

[wavemode]

anyone is a possibility for his partner. if you're asking me who I think is most likely, I would obviously point to my other scumreads

and if your response to THAT is that you don't believe he and my other scumreads make for a plausible scumteam, then congratulations! you've made a completely pointless preflip assumption about a group of interactions that you know nothing about, in a game with daychat. and thus I have no response

[wavemode]

anyone who can genuinely attack someone else's scumreads on the basis that they don't believe that person's scumreads make for a likely scumteam together, just doesn't know how to play mafia. sorry but, there I said it, don't tweet @ me

(I'm not saying you're attacking me, I'm more referring to greeting, who I already argued with at length about this)

[fireisredsir]

hm. ok. weird assumption that I would have that response, but ok. so you don't think it's worth considering possible partners at all? i usually have it in the back of my mind at least

[wavemode]

the other people I scumread are possible partners. are they not?

[wavemode]

like you're basically asking me, who I think is scum? just phrased differently

[fireisredsir]

guess so. but if i have someone that im very sure is scum, that adjusts the other probabilities based on partnership likelihood. that's bayes baybee

[wavemode]

yeah but, first of all, we're pre-flip. and second of all, scum will happily interact with their partners in any way that makes them seem like not partners. attacking defending, you name it I've literally seen it all. so I really don't put very much weight in that. unless I think the given player is just too inexperienced to know about these very common strategies

[Nero Cain]

Wave, why is Angel your lowest town read?

[wavemode]

in fact I did briefly float an alternate theory, in my 911. (tbh it still wouldn't surprise me all that much if that were the case)

so yeah in specific situations like that my mind tends to go, okay maybe they are scum and they want me to think this, so maybe the *opposite* is true

[wavemode]

Wave, why is Angel your lowest town read?

I mean, why not? I'm simply more sure of my other townreads

If you're curious, here was my progression on angel:

here's a recent one: me realizing FA is probably town was significant, since my worry has always been that if she's scum she'd probably steamroll this game. I thought she might be town after 398 but wanted to stay cautious

then I would say her posture around townreading greeting matched my thoughts a lot and made me a bit more comfortable

[HockeyFan]

@wave, can I have an answe to 1622

you didn't ask me a question in 1622

you disagree with the townread? okay. but, what specifically are you asking me?

"why you're so adamant on tring him for consistency"

[Scorpious]

Wave,
Can’t you just answer a question straight?

I don’t see how anyone reads this page of your posts and feels they are coming from town.

[wavemode]

flail harder dude

[wavemode]

"why you're so adamant on tring him for consistency"

if you're asking me why I think he's town, I've given those reasons. If you want me to restate it or rephrase it somehow, okay I can explain it again I guess? But I don't really know how to answer a question like why am I confident in my own townread. I just am? it strikes me as a strange question, like why is anyone confident in things they believe? because they believe them