In post 7485, DkKoba wrote:skitter, i'm not sure what I did in the realm of the game of mafia that was "deeply unpleasant" to you that is unacceptable to play with, other than the fact that being tunneled sucks in general. If you can point me to any examples of where I crossed a line, feel free to and I will try to improve in the future as I have been trying to over the past couple of years.
Spoiler:
I found you refusing to interact with me because you scumread me to be quite unpleasant, demoralizing, and basically the point where i recognized the game would be a loss
You had a variety of posts on day4 that were almost mocking, rude, and were almost trying to piss me off
Spoiler:
i recognize the refusal to interact is a thing i still fall back on when frustrated making a push and thinking im being manipulated to look scummy. I know you're the archaetype of scum player to absolutely make someone twist their words and use them against them as scum and I was afraid of the scenario where you'd use that to make me a game ending mislim. I did not mean anything mockingly/rude, I apologize if it came off that way. I'm still working on that kind of stuff, which I've very majorly improved on the past year alone since I was banned last year.
In post 7492, skitter30 wrote:I think if you drop me the day ends in a misflip and we can at least try again tomorrow
I dont think we flip alyssa (or even necessarily me) today if you didnt force this cross vote, which wcum were obviously quite happy about
meh
i really really wanted catboi and just was like ok let me just pick 50/50 from my not as sure PoE
i included the "i wouldn't n1 my friends was funny" line in my unvote of catboi because it in fact solidified my scumread there because epicmafia people used that line *all the fucking time* as AtE after they indeed did, n1 their friend.
Did the meta shift that way, there were a ton of people who used to trust tell with that shit and I always hated it
i mean that was like 2016/2017 people used it for trust tells and then later on people just said it as AtE lol.
what comes to mind is people like charley n1ing shady and then immediately being like "I INVITED SHADY OMG I WOULD NEVER N1 HIM"
imma be honest and say that some of the early pushes i made were strategic in removing inactive low effort people that i just had low in my PoE with less critical thought on if theyre town because like .. even if we mislim a couple times its better to have actives alive then inactives
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky
In post 7485, DkKoba wrote:skitter, i'm not sure what I did in the realm of the game of mafia that was "deeply unpleasant" to you that is unacceptable to play with, other than the fact that being tunneled sucks in general. If you can point me to any examples of where I crossed a line, feel free to and I will try to improve in the future as I have been trying to over the past couple of years.
Spoiler:
I found you refusing to interact with me because you scumread me to be quite unpleasant, demoralizing, and basically the point where i recognized the game would be a loss
You had a variety of posts on day4 that were almost mocking, rude, and were almost trying to piss me off
Spoiler:
i recognize the refusal to interact is a thing i still fall back on when frustrated making a push and thinking im being manipulated to look scummy. I know you're the archaetype of scum player to absolutely make someone twist their words and use them against them as scum and I was afraid of the scenario where you'd use that to make me a game ending mislim. I did not mean anything mockingly/rude, I apologize if it came off that way. I'm still working on that kind of stuff, which I've very majorly improved on the past year alone since I was banned last year.
Spoiler:
i mean sure, if i'm scum i probably would, but if i' town (and i was town!) it meant to me that if you were town it would be a loss (and it was) since i:
- would have a very, very, very hard time recognizing town-you
- would have no oppurtunity to change your mind on scum-me, since you wouldnt let me
And being unable to do anything about that for like two weeks since you wouldnt even entertain what i had to say was more than a little bit frustrating.
I had ro get alyssa to ask my questions for me to get you to even acknowledge what i had to say at some point. I find this to be against the spirit of the game, and just unpleasant to play with, and its not something i want to do again
I also *hate* being strongarmed into voting
I also found these sorts of posts to be inceredibly distasteful, dismissive, mocking, and rude. It was pissing me off, and other people told you that it was unpleasant, and you continued:
In post 6701, Kaiji wrote:Scumcase against me: I pushed catboi over enchant
i've seen better scumcases in newbies, and the players presenting this have BoP :)
And that's a gross reduction of what i've been saying
I'm sorry that your scum tricks don't work against my slot - I sympathize since in my recent completed games I had to deal with a few slots that didn't fall for some of my tricks myself. But remember, you just need to convince *2 townies* and catboi is already convinced mostly so gl gl :)
In post 6707, Kaiji wrote:Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating "awful" multiple times.
This is not a player trying to solve my alignment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative.
Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating 'skitter is scim' multiple times
This is not a player trying to solve my aligbment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative
~
I can throw this right back at you, stop acting all holier than thou like you've got a great scumcase on me that's more than just 'skitter is scum' because that's apparently conveninwnt for you to push rn
You're ignoring that i've already laid out my issues with your play today (which you've never addressed), and are curiouslu not calling dats or catboi scum for making the same exact points as me, for no reason other than it doesnt fit your agenda apparently
This reads like baseless nonsense
Please keep instigating me - I've lacked the WIM to go through your ISO and case you for a while and it's been itching at me. :lol:
The scumcase is more of things you *lack* in your posts which is hard to quanitfy - something players who aren't straight up garbage as scum are able to do, lie by omission - and my main case is that your ISO *lacks* analysis and critical thinking that you display as town. I have no issues with my play and you know very well I'm well within my townrange (:
Also - I do please invite you to give proof of catboi and datisi making the same posts as you. (meanwhile I am seeing what alyssa is seeing now from datisi). Catboi is approaching this with honesty and has ceded lack of confidence after I provided counterevidence(he won't argue back and forth with me beacuse last time we were both town and I tried to argue myself into why I was town he just kinda dug himself deeper into the conclusion I was scum rofl). You can claim something different is the same by removing nuance and critical thought but it won't change reality <3
In post 6729, Kaiji wrote:awe need to kill me before night kill analysis starts pointing against me and towards you, cute <3
In post 6732, Kaiji wrote:remember when skitter said that if the vig is confirmed scum then that means I slipped non-TMI? good times ;)
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
In post 7485, DkKoba wrote:skitter, i'm not sure what I did in the realm of the game of mafia that was "deeply unpleasant" to you that is unacceptable to play with, other than the fact that being tunneled sucks in general. If you can point me to any examples of where I crossed a line, feel free to and I will try to improve in the future as I have been trying to over the past couple of years.
Spoiler:
I found you refusing to interact with me because you scumread me to be quite unpleasant, demoralizing, and basically the point where i recognized the game would be a loss
You had a variety of posts on day4 that were almost mocking, rude, and were almost trying to piss me off
Spoiler:
i recognize the refusal to interact is a thing i still fall back on when frustrated making a push and thinking im being manipulated to look scummy. I know you're the archaetype of scum player to absolutely make someone twist their words and use them against them as scum and I was afraid of the scenario where you'd use that to make me a game ending mislim. I did not mean anything mockingly/rude, I apologize if it came off that way. I'm still working on that kind of stuff, which I've very majorly improved on the past year alone since I was banned last year.
Spoiler:
i mean sure, if i'm scum i probably would, but if i' town (and i was town!) it meant to me that if you were town it would be a loss (and it was) since i:
- would have a very, very, very hard time recognizing town-you
- would have no oppurtunity to change your mind on scum-me, since you wouldnt let me
And being unable to do anything about that for like two weeks since you wouldnt even entertain what i had to say was more than a little bit frustrating.
I had ro get alyssa to ask my questions for me to get you to even acknowledge what i had to say at some point. I find this to be against the spirit of the game, and just unpleasant to play with, and its not something i want to do again
I also *hate* being strongarmed into voting
I also found these sorts of posts to be inceredibly distasteful, dismissive, mocking, and rude. It was pissing me off, and other people told you that it was unpleasant, and you continued:
In post 6701, Kaiji wrote:Scumcase against me: I pushed catboi over enchant
i've seen better scumcases in newbies, and the players presenting this have BoP
And that's a gross reduction of what i've been saying
I'm sorry that your scum tricks don't work against my slot - I sympathize since in my recent completed games I had to deal with a few slots that didn't fall for some of my tricks myself. But remember, you just need to convince *2 townies* and catboi is already convinced mostly so gl gl
In post 6707, Kaiji wrote:Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating "awful" multiple times.
This is not a player trying to solve my alignment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative.
Note - not a shred of analysis of why. Just repeating 'skitter is scim' multiple times
This is not a player trying to solve my aligbment. This is a player trying to gaslight the other players into believing their narrative
~
I can throw this right back at you, stop acting all holier than thou like you've got a great scumcase on me that's more than just 'skitter is scum' because that's apparently conveninwnt for you to push rn
You're ignoring that i've already laid out my issues with your play today (which you've never addressed), and are curiouslu not calling dats or catboi scum for making the same exact points as me, for no reason other than it doesnt fit your agenda apparently
This reads like baseless nonsense
Please keep instigating me - I've lacked the WIM to go through your ISO and case you for a while and it's been itching at me.
The scumcase is more of things you *lack* in your posts which is hard to quanitfy - something players who aren't straight up garbage as scum are able to do, lie by omission - and my main case is that your ISO *lacks* analysis and critical thinking that you display as town. I have no issues with my play and you know very well I'm well within my townrange (:
Also - I do please invite you to give proof of catboi and datisi making the same posts as you. (meanwhile I am seeing what alyssa is seeing now from datisi). Catboi is approaching this with honesty and has ceded lack of confidence after I provided counterevidence(he won't argue back and forth with me beacuse last time we were both town and I tried to argue myself into why I was town he just kinda dug himself deeper into the conclusion I was scum rofl). You can claim something different is the same by removing nuance and critical thought but it won't change reality <3
In post 6729, Kaiji wrote:awe need to kill me before night kill analysis starts pointing against me and towards you, cute <3
In post 6732, Kaiji wrote:remember when skitter said that if the vig is confirmed scum then that means I slipped non-TMI? good times
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
I wonder if we would've won if my giant post had actually gone through instead of being lost after 2 hours of work and me having to type up a quick abridged version
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
I thought what we were doing had better chances of working than... anything else we could likely do given game state at that point but I was seriously worried you'd be like "hey, waitasecond, I remember the last time mena was in a bad spot with a good town..."
scum got quite lucky that town couldn't coordinate I think (not to do down my scum buddies who I think made the right decision to let things sort of implode instead of trying v hard to dominate and control things!)
are you telling me that the "mena's cop crumb" i caught was actually completely incidental? i'm mad
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
re: people talking about not being able to keep up as town :
try to just focus on the recent activity strictly and then go from there. i myself did this when replacing in, and then referenced the content i missed over time when needed by doing ISO searches.
you dont need the whole game, you just need the meaty part of the conversations.
at worst, if you say something that is wrong/out of date, they can correct you and you'll be able to have a specfic area to reread to update yourself.
If everyone did this, it would make players who struggle to keep up help raise the overall townplay.
tl;dr: use the iso tool and only read recent stuff to stay at least somewhat relevant. it also helps when youre town to show you are trying to stay engaged and are helping contribute to a solve. if you have a part wrong because you didnt read it, another player in the game can always quote you and correct you.
that being said, there should be a tool to only see posts where people quoted you. that would be cool.
I have been doing this in games i replace into that have significant content and it's worked well (i was 2/3 correct on scum most of the game and even reached a proper PoE at the end without ever reading much of day 1)
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky
I mean it was p immediately and obviously a garbage claim, the fact that you kinda disappeared like right afterwards tho meant i couldnt really talk to u abt it, and then i became busy irl, and since its elo and i hate commiting in elo at that point i started doubting and being uncertain if i was certain enuf to bet the game on it
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
