open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[innocentvillager]

thanks for mod schadd and congrats to scummers

[schadd_]

MAFIA!!! https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88429

[Prism]

Reading that scumthread and how Pooky spend several days wondering whether or not to 1v1 me, setting up for it if he decided to flip the switch, and then had the audacity to tap out when he got hardpunished for the indecision/setup without followthrough.

I accept the apology and probably shouldn't rehash it but this is just wild to read.

[DkKoba]

well shit if scum actually killed skitter or me liked they discussed town might have actually won off of that

killing me makes alyssa look better because .. killing your main supporter when if you're scum youre in deep shit looks terrible

killing skitter well, that just resolves my own PoE and I basically hardshove catboi


ah well. lowkey SS mvp of the scumteam

[Prism]

i thought about it in the shower

and i think enchant should just go for it and guilty datisi

This is the most remarkable post in the game, haven't heard of him doing this in years. Thought it was a Halley's Comet type situation.

[Prism]

I'm just stunned reading this. I expected Pooky to legitimately think I was being dumb, that he was acting around me how he thought he would as town, my points are wrong and stupid and that's why it's going to be toxic, etc.

Nope, that early aggression towards me was planned and the lack of followup intentionally chosen as scum-motivated moves, and my call-out was for exactly that disconnected approach. I am not sure whether the fact that I believe it was unintentionally strategic makes it better or worse.

[Andante]

omg I loved that maf chat!!! Just an hour ago I was in tears after getting some terrible news, and was reading maf chat laughing lol that was awesome!!!

[Prism]

Just the absolute audacity to sit around chatting about how he should 1v1 me, it'd be fun, maybe intentionally tilt me too, set up to initiate the 1v1 on his term whenever he wants, and then flop and cry foul when I pinned down the disconnected progression precisely and completely slammed him on my terms instead.

I am actually so fucking salty reading the scum PT for this, before I had all sorts of excuses in my head on your (Pooky's) behalf that made it easy to accept the apology but what the actual fuck dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what would you like me to explain?

happy to tell you all my thoughts

[Prism]

Honestly I don't think there's anything else to say; I accepted the dead PT apology and will calm down later, build a bridge and get over it again

Just going back and reading the receipts and realizing that it was so, so much worse than I though has me very salty. I expected something like "caught for the wrong reasons". I fully expected to be mostly or completely wrong in my reasoning and to have that be a source of frustration.

Nope, I was more right than I ever envisioned being

ever

in a mafia game. I tried very hard to limit the scope to exactly that wonky progression without getting personal, and the issue was "caught for exactly the right reasons" but apparently at the wrong time for you personally.

There's nothing further for you to really do, I really just need to vent over it for a second.

[Prism]

Aight, I've calmed down, in my book we're good again but there will always be a small part of me somewhere harboring salt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean you were wrong about your suspicion that i didnt push you because ????

i dont ever push you d1 when im a town vig because tactically its very stupid - it is much easier for me to shoot you at night rather than fight a 1v1 and possibly get yeeted by scum you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i dont really think scum!you has any problems shutting down a push by town!me in general so i wouldn't really pursue that line even if i thought you were scum because you have no problem getting townread as scum, its trivial for you to do.

[Prism]

You spent a good portion of the scum PT discussing 1v1ing me and how fun it'd be, and you set up to do so. You do this precisely because you are not a town vig. You got cold feet and decided not to go through with it.

2279 picks up exactly on this discrepancy and change of plans and nails you to the wall for it. It limits this criticism exactly and I spend the next several post trying to keep you focused on this game and my specific criticism of your progression.

Your last ingame post before replace-out is about how you would never consider doing exactly what you spent several posts spitballing and considering in the scum PT. You seem to be advocating for this view now as well.

It is again absurd to me how eager and ready you were to 1v1 me until I initiated it instead of you, highlighted the exactly discrepancy these strategic choices created in their progression on me, and suddenly

now

1v1ing me became the definition of unacceptable game toxicity.

[Prism]

It'd be one thing if you were trying to emulate your town game start to finish, but that was not the case. Your interactions with me were predicated in your mind on being scum start to finish. You relished the idea of 1v1ing me, tilting me, and having a shitfight with me in the scum PT and angled to do it on a dime.

You can't have it both ways with "but that's how I'd behave as town" when you are strategically making choices around me that are entirely strategic and predicated on your being scum. My issue in the game was not one endpoint or read but the progression and the scum PT shows it was spot on.

All of this is secondary to begin with and not the primary issue.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that was a joke lol

if you read my comments in that pt most of them are stupid jokes or the dumbest thing i can think of doing.

except asking about pushing skitter that was sort of serious.

[Prism]

I think 141 in the scum PT says it all:

probably

maybe I'll scumcase Faker for fun

lol i was considering that but wasn't sure it was worth the potential blowback

I can do it in a really obnoxious and trolly way

This is lighthearted but is not just a random joke. This is a legitimate idea and you'd made posts in the game to accommodate for it.

Suddenly, when I forced the 1v1 instead a few days later after the lack of followup, it became the definition of unfun, toxic, no one would ever choose this and I'm replacing out because I'd never choose this, and an issue even as I repeatedly try to de-escalate and get you to focus on my substantive criticism.

I don't really want to talk about this further. I think the gymnastics and self-delusion here to justify this decision are absurd.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think the idea that i would be able to push you in this plist is fairly dumb and strategically suicidal - i think you can tell from any base level game thread read that it would be incredibly stupid for me to push you at any point during d1.

those comments in the scum pt are me joking because i am bored and when im bored i tend to write about random shit that i think is stupid to do.

[Prism]

Aight.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i guess i do sometimes do really stupid fucking shit as scum just to troll so you could think i was legit like thinking about it. but still it makes very little sense for me to push you in this game state as either town or scum

[Sleepless Assassin]

random.org gave me this readslist:


{Mare, Andante, InnocentVillager}
{Skitter, NsG, Midwaybear, Catboi}
{SA, Datisi, SS, SC, Flow Trap}
{Faker}


post it or too cheeky?

Lmao

[Sleepless Assassin]

Oh sorry I didn't read there was serious stuff here


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