In post 6049, Cephrir wrote:Since open 842 is now over I can point at my scum play there. It was very apathetic. Not that its impossible I was trying my ass off in one game and not trying at all in another as the same alignment but, draw your own conclusion I guess.
Elaboration- I have drawn scum a truly absurd amount in the past year and I'm experiencing heavy fatigue around playing scum
I don't think I could have mustered the amount of energy ive had here
That's been on my mind every time I start to doubt you tbh. Your scum play was very different in SCP, your energy that game vs this game doesn't match at all. That was a major reason I made that specific appeal to you earlier in the game, because to me it felt obvious neither of us were playing the same as we were in that game.
The thing is though that I also trust the Bears, I think you're both town. It would blow my mind if either of you were scum. But idk how any scum team works, because Mala is practically conftown and I really don't think Mastina is scum. It just leaves Andante/Tictac/Norwee but I'm not sure that this solve makes sense.
In post 1872, Dunnstral wrote:Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?
Your posts felt wrong all game.
I don't remember you ever being so vague at an end of day wagons scenario
Or putting in so little effort
In fact, if anyone is interested in looking over Bell's iso, they have spent the last ~7 real life days only pushing on two of the lurkiest slots in the game and throwing out shallow questions to look like they're doing something.
Pay attention to Bell's progression on myself and Grendel's slot. There is no progression, he never had any reasons, and now instead of being honest and saying he's voting me for lurking, he says my posts have "felt off"
In post 2063, catboi wrote:Also not really sure why Andante is getting town reads at all
I don't think their tunnel on me due to our slot voting bell "when they were leaving" is very convincing. The argument isn't good and that they haven't found anything else to talk about is bad. 3 Bears also defaults to talking about me because it feels like they have not much else to say, maybe. Bell looks scummy to me as I outlined, and yes even if you are busy Bell and putting in a different amount of effort, I feel that you are pushing me on very little with not much else for reads
In post 2063, catboi wrote:Also not really sure why Andante is getting town reads at all
I don't think their tunnel on me due to our slot voting bell "when they were leaving" is very convincing. The argument isn't good and that they haven't found anything else to talk about is bad. 3 Bears also defaults to talking about me because it feels like they have not much else to say, maybe. Bell looks scummy to me as I outlined, and yes even if you are busy Bell and putting in a different amount of effort, I feel that you are pushing me on very little with not much else for reads
I ggget what you're saying about bell but don't think it's entirely uncharacteristic for him, and, uh, his real life is kind of hell right now so I'm kind of inclined to give him a pass for that and when I looked at him there were some posts I thought were all right. I might be too attached to the idea of "Bell is psychologically incapable of posting as scum", but meh.
In post 1921, Andante wrote:I guess Dunn lives till tomorrow, but I'm not a fan of this "I only talk in quote essays cause I'm catching up" there's like no actual live interactions with anyone
Anyone can look at my iso and see how wrong this is. Or were you talking about Ircher?
In post 2573, Bell wrote:I wasn’t hinting at poisoning them or w/e, I’m literally happy if they’re going to die, don’t think the poisoner is necessarily scum(depends when/if they claim), and so on.
if I claimed poisoner, does that automatically make it a scum role?
In post 2584, Andante wrote:Bears won't die, they just change alignments lol
In post 1301, Andante wrote:I'm not saying I'm confident in this at all, but here's roughly the reads
Definitely town: Andante Dwlee99
Probably Town:
MUSHSHAGANA
Bell
Cephrir
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
Save The Dragons
Probably not town:
Ircher - I know there's more Ircher lines I never read though, I keep meaning to ISO.. but I don't so rip
NorwegianboyEE
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)
idk who this is:
Lady Lambdadelta
Galron
Roden
Malakittens
Mastina
TheWayItEnds Princess Elodie
Tet
Grendel MegAzumarill
tictac
Toogeloo
Val89 T3
Greeting
In post 4098, Dunnstral wrote:I am of the opinion that Andante's stance on Malakittens was scummy. And also that their weird sort of mafia claim yesterday was never really explained, just followed up with AtE/Widom
In post 1872, Dunnstral wrote:Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?
Your posts felt wrong all game.
I don't remember you ever being so vague at an end of day wagons scenario
Or putting in so little effort
In fact, if anyone is interested in looking over Bell's iso, they have spent the last ~7 real life days only pushing on two of the lurkiest slots in the game and throwing out shallow questions to look like they're doing something.
Pay attention to Bell's progression on myself and Grendel's slot. There is no progression, he never had any reasons, and now instead of being honest and saying he's voting me for lurking, he says my posts have "felt off"
In post 2063, catboi wrote:Also not really sure why Andante is getting town reads at all
I don't think their tunnel on me due to our slot voting bell "when they were leaving" is very convincing. The argument isn't good and that they haven't found anything else to talk about is bad. 3 Bears also defaults to talking about me because it feels like they have not much else to say, maybe. Bell looks scummy to me as I outlined, and yes even if you are busy Bell and putting in a different amount of effort, I feel that you are pushing me on very little with not much else for reads
In post 2063, catboi wrote:Also not really sure why Andante is getting town reads at all
I don't think their tunnel on me due to our slot voting bell "when they were leaving" is very convincing. The argument isn't good and that they haven't found anything else to talk about is bad. 3 Bears also defaults to talking about me because it feels like they have not much else to say, maybe. Bell looks scummy to me as I outlined, and yes even if you are busy Bell and putting in a different amount of effort, I feel that you are pushing me on very little with not much else for reads
I ggget what you're saying about bell but don't think it's entirely uncharacteristic for him, and, uh, his real life is kind of hell right now so I'm kind of inclined to give him a pass for that and when I looked at him there were some posts I thought were all right. I might be too attached to the idea of "Bell is psychologically incapable of posting as scum", but meh.
In post 1921, Andante wrote:I guess Dunn lives till tomorrow, but I'm not a fan of this "I only talk in quote essays cause I'm catching up" there's like no actual live interactions with anyone
Anyone can look at my iso and see how wrong this is. Or were you talking about Ircher?
In post 2573, Bell wrote:I wasn’t hinting at poisoning them or w/e, I’m literally happy if they’re going to die, don’t think the poisoner is necessarily scum(depends when/if they claim), and so on.
if I claimed poisoner, does that automatically make it a scum role?
In post 2584, Andante wrote:Bears won't die, they just change alignments lol
In post 1301, Andante wrote:I'm not saying I'm confident in this at all, but here's roughly the reads
Definitely town: Andante Dwlee99
Probably Town:
MUSHSHAGANA
Bell
Cephrir
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
Save The Dragons
Probably not town:
Ircher - I know there's more Ircher lines I never read though, I keep meaning to ISO.. but I don't so rip
NorwegianboyEE
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)
idk who this is:
Lady Lambdadelta
Galron
Roden
Malakittens
Mastina
TheWayItEnds Princess Elodie
Tet
Grendel MegAzumarill
tictac
Toogeloo
Val89 T3
Greeting
In post 4098, Dunnstral wrote:I am of the opinion that Andante's stance on Malakittens was scummy. And also that their weird sort of mafia claim yesterday was never really explained, just followed up with AtE/Widom
That's kind of my point. I don't think it makes much sense for you to be scum, but not all of my town reads can be correct here. I have to be wrong about somebody and I feel the least confident about you.
Like, for Bears to be scum, they have to hard bus Dunn before any real suspicion even heads his way. They also have to fake being Molded before anyone actually gets Molded, which makes very little sense to me since all that did was earn them suspicion. You think they're scum though. Do you really think they did all of that? Does that make any sense for scum to do?
In post 6055, Roden wrote:That's kind of my point. I don't think it makes much sense for you to be scum, but not all of my town reads can be correct here. I have to be wrong about somebody and I feel the least confident about you.
Like, for Bears to be scum, they have to hard bus Dunn before any real suspicion even heads his way. They also have to fake being Molded before anyone actually gets Molded, which makes very little sense to me since all that did was earn them suspicion. You think they're scum though. Do you really think they did all of that? Does that make any sense for scum to do?
I'm not saying bears have to be scum with me town... cause yes bears have had a lot of very pro town moments I think it's just norwee/mastina/tictac tbh
In post 6055, Roden wrote:That's kind of my point. I don't think it makes much sense for you to be scum, but not all of my town reads can be correct here. I have to be wrong about somebody and I feel the least confident about you.
Like, for Bears to be scum, they have to hard bus Dunn before any real suspicion even heads his way. They also have to fake being Molded before anyone actually gets Molded, which makes very little sense to me since all that did was earn them suspicion. You think they're scum though. Do you really think they did all of that? Does that make any sense for scum to do?
I'm not saying bears have to be scum with me town... cause yes bears have had a lot of very pro town moments I think it's just norwee/mastina/tictac tbh
What has been making you push Bears and Mala then?
In post 6055, Roden wrote:That's kind of my point. I don't think it makes much sense for you to be scum, but not all of my town reads can be correct here. I have to be wrong about somebody and I feel the least confident about you.
Like, for Bears to be scum, they have to hard bus Dunn before any real suspicion even heads his way. They also have to fake being Molded before anyone actually gets Molded, which makes very little sense to me since all that did was earn them suspicion. You think they're scum though. Do you really think they did all of that? Does that make any sense for scum to do?
I'm not saying bears have to be scum with me town... cause yes bears have had a lot of very pro town moments I think it's just norwee/mastina/tictac tbh
What has been making you push Bears and Mala then?
Cause I've been annoyed at the bears tunnel on me, like, just deadset on me. like, obviously I'm not solo maf, and mala.. I still don't tr but I think ceph does. a norwee/mastina/tictac solve doesn't sound bad to me here
Or Andante mostly pushing that solve i guess.
Hey Roden, if you think Andante/Tictac are my scum mates then vote them out. We can deal with me in ElO if we’re both alive by then, tnx.
In post 6060, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Mastina has not been playing scummy here, and it’s really sad if Roden actually thinks she does.
I town read Mastina. The Mold claim seems real, and I don't think any of her thought processes are fake.
In post 6061, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Or Andante mostly pushing that solve i guess.
Hey Roden, if you think Andante/Tictac are my scum mates then vote them out. We can deal with me in ElO if we’re both alive by then, tnx.
Honestly, I don't know if it's you. The Galron/Toog back to back town flips have me doubting everything I try to settle on. I really felt like they had to be a part of the solve, and tbh I didn't want to believe all three remaining scum were embedded so deep that not a single one feels obvious.
In post 6016, tictac wrote:no qh -> min 1 scum in [andan,mala,norw] -> min 1 town in [bears,mastina,roden] -> mold is real -> this thing actually needs solving
I really don’t get the impression ant of Andante/Tictac/Ceph are trying to solve today.
Tictac is doing some dumb talk about how many town or scum in people voting him. And now i’n gonna be Andante:
Andante: So Bears is scum.
Everyone: No.
Andante. K, nvm. So Mala is scum.
Everyone: No.
Andante: Oh ok, so Tictac is scum.
Like holy shit why did we let them live this long.
Read my iso I've been scumhubting all game. That's pretty unfair!
At the moment I'm lost on how to do more. I've already taken my shot at figuring out flipped scum interactions, and I didnt get much/what I did come up with convinced nobody. I don't know how I'm supposed to take down mastina when my case is "she doesnt do anything" and she already has massive townreads for that for some reason. I feel like my reasons for townreading the people I'm townreading are fine so idk what would be wrong with my poe.
It's harder to keep an appearance of solving in ElO.
In post 5872, Cephrir wrote:"Ah, yes, I will shoot my game long ally std who is also starting to come under suspicion. Mwahahaha! Theyll never see this one coming!"
Oh and this^
Completely lost it's meaning when it was revealed STD had a bodyguard shot. Meaning you could easily be part of an team that shot someone else but is now trying to be like "See? I would not make this shot as scum!"
In post 5913, Cephrir wrote:the way she talks in general seems a lot more open, yes. you seem to have plugged your ears and started shouting lalala i can't hear you whenever i talk.
In post 6069, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Like all you do today from ur ISO is lamist, AtE, berate other players for not townreading you and "not listening" etc.
It's true, though. How am I meant to convince anyone of anything when so many players are automatically set against whatever I say. Would you be excited to solve in this situation?
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