Mini Theme 2259: Superfight Mafia!

[jjh927]

The point around insurance is that if we limmed in flea/faerie and we were wrong, then there must be scum in those who had not fought. As such, it means scum would still have to fight at some point, giving a bit of insurance as you have a chance of things just going well and having scum die by fighting.

Outside of that, it has the same probability of limming town or scum as ever. It's all about reads. Thing is, last two day phases you've limmed in my townreads, and at some point I've gotta question why you're completely discarding everything I say both in terms of reads and on a strategic level

[Roden]

Fighter A: Batman with six months prep time was submitted by jjh927.
Fighter B: A bear made of metal. was submitted by a disinterested party on behalf of PookyTheMagicalBear, who failed to submit a fighter on time.

A: Faerie Mages, Radical Rat, Not_Mafia, Roden, jjh927, Flea the Magician, Temporal Lich, Enchant
B: Dwlee99, PookytheMagicalBear, Firebringer,

The bear made of metal lies cold and dead, as does Pooky, it's master. Pooky was:

TOWN

Fighter A: Natsuki Subaru in the Ayamatsu IF Timeline was submitted by Firebringer.
Fighter B: Incorporeal voices whispering dad jokes endlessly was submitted by Flea the Magician.

A: Galron, jjh927, Firebringer
B: TemporalLich, Dwlee99, Not_Mafia, Roden, Radical Rat, Flea the Magician, Faerie Mages

"What do you call a deer with no eyes? No idear."
"Why aren't previous generations of ants called antcestors?"
"Did you know that the person who invented the Merry-Go-Round and the person who invented the Ferris Wheel never actually met each other? They just travelled in different circles."
"What do we want?
Time travel.
When do we want it?
That’s irrelevant."

You know what? Fuck this. I'm out. Natsuki Subaru has given up on the fight, taking Firebringer with him. Firebringer was:

TOWN

Fighter A: Isabelle from Animal Crossing with Doom Guy was submitted by Faerie Mages.
Fighter B: Supreme Calamitas was submitted by TemporalLich.

A: jjh927, Dwlee99, Not_Mafia, Roden, Flea the Magician, Faerie Mages
B: TemporalLich, Galron

I'd prepared a longwinded commentary of the epic battle, but unfortunately wasn't able to provide it due to a lack of oxygen. Supreme Calamitas suffered a supreme calamity, taking TemporalLich along for the ride. TemporalLich was:

TOWN

Fighter A: Giant frog with magic and opposable thumbs was submitted by Dwlee99.
Fighter B: Whitney's Miltank: Stomp, Attract, Milk Drink, Rollout was submitted by Not_Mafia.

A: Dwlee99, Flea the Magician, jjh927
B: Roden, Faerie Mages

Not_Mafia, so assured of the superiority of Miltanks everywhere, didn't manage to submit a vote before he was mercilessly crushed under the magical might of frogs everywhere. He was:

TOWN

Roden/Faerie have voted together every time

Dwlee I'm pretty sure you know by now that it isn't in my scum range to openly buddy up with my partner. I also don't set up my scum buddy against Lich ever, I was the only one town reading that slot and they were pretty obviously going to get mis-elim'd if they had survived their fight. If anything, it would've been optimal for me to bus Faerie there since nobody expects scum to NK themselves.

This is also the reason I find it hard to believe Faerie could be scum. Fighting Lich makes zero sense for scum to do unless they

really

believed I could stop their mis-elim.

[jjh927]

Why is NK speculation the only reason you TR faerie mages

[jjh927]

I am pretty confident we're limming scum!Faerie today. If you are somehow town, I request that you throw the fight that you're going to have in the night in the interest of removing yourself from the game without a town loss.

[Roden]

Ah, right, you're having a hard time believing either of them are scum but the only other players are me, you, and dwlee, and there are 2 scum

Yes, I know, that's the problem here. I have to seriously think over the possibility of scum trying to NK themselves to save town from getting mis-elim'd.

Why is NK speculation the only reason you TR faerie mages

Because almost no one took this game seriously and there is very little content to work with.

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: Putting TemporalLich on the block in general is something that only comes from a well townread scum team. It makes no sense otherwise.
Faerie: If anyone here was swapped with him, the outcome of this elo would be a town loss.

[Roden]

I am pretty confident we're limming scum!Faerie today. If you are somehow town, I request that you throw the fight that you're going to have in the night in the interest of removing yourself from the game without a town loss.

No? The fighting mechanic is the only reason I even joined this game. I'm not gonna wait all game to have my turn at the fun gimmick just to get told to throw lol. It would also go against the spirit of the game, and everyone's been preaching how we shouldn't do that. If you think I'm scum then just vote me.

Tbh I'm surprised Dwlee hasn't voted yet.

[Roden]

JJH can you explain why scum!Faerie puts tries to NK themself to give a mis-elim target town cred?

[Roden]

If you think scum would coordinate their votes in any way at all then look for strange votes

like, idk, people voting for the clearly Not Mafia option when they say they scumread Not Mafia

Dwlee and NM were both in my PoE.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 5.1

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to send someone to take vengeance on the filthy cat killers.

Roden (3 votes til death):
Dwlee99 (3 votes til death):
jjh927 (3 votes til death):
Flea The Magician (3 votes til death):
Faerie Mages (3 votes til death):

Deadline for Day 5 is in (expired on 2022-02-27 01:00:00).

[Dwlee99]

If you think scum would coordinate their votes in any way at all then look for strange votes

like, idk, people voting for the clearly Not Mafia option when they say they scumread Not Mafia

Dwlee and NM were both in my PoE.

Okay but frog > miltank so explain that one huh

[jjh927]

There are loads of reasons that scum could choose to put someone in a fight, and a large number of considerations that totally invalidate your reasoning.

-Wifom. You are townreading someone because they were in a fight with someone, hence you must be able to extrapolate there is value in it for scum. This being said, the only two people who are making the argument here are you and Faerie, which I feel furthers my point that scum would absolutely think they can try to get town points out of a fight.
-Risk management. If scum lose their fight, then it would be dangerous to have someone who would do a lot with being conftown as the winner. TL is kinda a clown.
-TL is kinda a clown. It could have been predicted he would pick some obscure thing that people wouldn't care about.
-There weren't any widely townread players who could have been chosen at that time at all. Scum could have picked anyone.

[jjh927]

Throwing your fight doesn't go against the spirit of the game in the same way as calling your fighter in advance. But yeah, you are indeed scum and uou will be dying

[jjh927]

I've slept on it

Faerie Mages / Roden is the team. Final answer.

This is the correct order to do it in as well
VOTE: Faerie Mages

[jjh927]

Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-

Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, your

death is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.

Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.

If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.

[Flea The Magician]

Why is that the order to do it in?

Seems a lil too... set for me?
and to tldr this - this is because of the hammer and the tl fight?

[jjh927]

It's the order to do it in because Roden is the only player not to have fought yet. Therefore, he will be fighting tonight no matter what.

Faerie is scum by play. I don't care at all about the TL fight

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: As one of most suspected slots throughout the game, there were better duos to put almost every night. Narrowing down the poe rather than putting towny slots against each other make no sense.
Faerie: You seem pretty desperate for our elimination.
Mage: VOTE: Jjh We said a while ago that if you were scum, town loses. And we were right.

[Flea The Magician]

ok well thats interesting...

Faerie, Mage talk me through it more, I think I might know who one of you is at least so let rip.

[Dwlee99]

Who would jj's partner even be?

[Dwlee99]

Like I don't think it is flea. Roden ???

[Dwlee99]

I'd actually much rather flip roden then either faerie or jjh today I think?

[Dwlee99]

Like unless it's flea/faerie?

[Faerie Mages]

Who would jj's partner even be?

Faerie: You or Flea

[Dwlee99]

I don't get why you're so opposed to the possibility of roden scum