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[Faerie Mages]

Mage: Roden is the one read we are banking everything on being correct.
Faerie: We do not think Roden is ever scum here.

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: UNVOTE: in case we were wrong.

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: We still think Jjh is scum with someone though. Roden just doesn't make sense as scum.
Mage: They are tonally even more towny than Flea is and Flea is very towny.

[jjh927]

Well, we've just ruled out a Flea/Dwlee scumteam so that's very cool

[jjh927]

Mage: As one of most suspected slots throughout the game, there were better duos to put almost every night. Narrowing down the poe rather than putting towny slots against each other make no sense.
Faerie: You seem pretty desperate for our elimination.
Mage: VOTE: Jjh We said a while ago that if you were scum, town loses. And we were right.

If I was scum then nothing changed with my vote?

Cool ATE though

[Dwlee99]

I mean it has to be jjh if you're town, faerie.

[jjh927]

There's also no reason to unvote because I'm not unvoting

[jjh927]

You cannot de-escalate this situation

[Dwlee99]

Fmpov the possible teams are

Jjh/roden
Or
Faerie/roden
Or
Faerie/flea

[jjh927]

From my pov it is a logical impossibility that both Faerie and Roden are town because I can rule out the Dwlee/Flea scumteam

[jjh927]

Basically, there is absolutely no way I am unvoting ever because I am logically certain that at least one of those two is scum and extremely confident that they both are

It helps with the associatives that they have both been regularly asserting that the other one of them is locktown for almost no reason

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: What happened to your Flea SR, jjh?

[Roden]

Mage: UNVOTE: in case we were wrong.

There hasn't been a quick hammer on you. Mechanically, you or JJH have to be scum here.

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: No two people have been online together for long enough to quick hammer either wagon.

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: We have a theory but will wait for jjh's response

[Roden]

I'd actually much rather flip roden then either faerie or jjh today I think?

Bad idea for multiple reasons. Flipping me is an auto loss for town, and if you think I'm scum then you're better off flipping my buddy and then trying to kill me in the fight tonight since I'm guaranteed to fight.

Why are you against flipping one of JJH or Faerie?

[Roden]

Well, we've just ruled out a Flea/Dwlee scumteam so that's very cool

Any reason I couldn't be scum with either of them?

[Roden]

Dwlee if you think I'm scum then vote me.

[Roden]

Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-

Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, your

death is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.

Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.

If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.

Don't see how we lose. If we elim scum today and it does turn out to be Faerie, I'm likely fighting you tonight if you're town. If I win the fight, you can't tunnel me in ELo, and instead I'm going into ELo with Flea at the very least, who doesn't scum read me. Worst case scenario, ELo is Flea/Dwlee/me and Dwlee is town and death tunnels me, and scum!Flea just quick hammers once Dwlee votes.

Basically we only lose if town plays impulsively, which I don't expect anyone here to do.

[Roden]

There are loads of reasons that scum could choose to put someone in a fight, and a large number of considerations that totally invalidate your reasoning.

-Wifom. You are townreading someone because they were in a fight with someone, hence you must be able to extrapolate there is value in it for scum. This being said, the only two people who are making the argument here are you and Faerie, which I feel furthers my point that scum would absolutely think they can try to get town points out of a fight.
-Risk management. If scum lose their fight, then it would be dangerous to have someone who would do a lot with being conftown as the winner. TL is kinda a clown.
-TL is kinda a clown. It could have been predicted he would pick some obscure thing that people wouldn't care about.
-There weren't any widely townread players who could have been chosen at that time at all. Scum could have picked anyone.

Problem is that this largely applies to your fight as well. By your logic, you're coasting on winning the first fight. Technically you didn't even commit to voting out NK15, you cased him then backed off and tried to get Flea out instead.

A HAMMMER!

Vote Count 1.3

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone to take vengeance on the filthy cat killers.

Not Known 15 (0 votes til death): PookyTheMagicalBear, Dwlee99, Radical Rat, TemporalLich, Galron, Roden, Not_Mafia
jjh927 (6 votes til death): Not Known 15
Radical Rat (6 votes til death): Galron
Flea The Magician (6 votes til death): jjh927
Not_Mafia (7 votes til death):
Enchant (7 votes til death):
Firebringer (7 votes til death):
PookyTheMagicalBear (7 votes til death):
Galron (7 votes til death):
Roden (7 votes til death):
Dwlee99 (7 votes til death):
TemporalLich (7 votes til death):
Faerie Mages (7 votes til death):

Deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2022-02-02 22:00:00).

You know what they say: "Turnabout is fair play." Not Known 15 has been torn apart by hyenas. They were:

Spoiler:

MAFIA

[jjh927]

Well, we've just ruled out a Flea/Dwlee scumteam so that's very cool

Any reason I couldn't be scum with either of them?

Now that you're posting I'll probably be able to rule it out as well

[jjh927]

Am I coasting on winning the first fight? Half the time I've felt like I'm the only one playing the game

[Dwlee99]

I'd actually much rather flip roden then either faerie or jjh today I think?

Bad idea for multiple reasons. Flipping me is an auto loss for town, and if you think I'm scum then you're better off flipping my buddy and then trying to kill me in the fight tonight since I'm guaranteed to fight.

Why are you against flipping one of JJH or Faerie?

oh I didn't think about the fight

[jjh927]

The point I am making is that you can and should have reads based on play

PEdit: I EXPLAINED IN DETAIL ABOUT THE FIGHT

[jjh927]

I have never felt so not listened to in a mafia game as this one


Here is a potentially very important post

Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-

Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, your

death is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.

Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.

If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.