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[jjh927]

Mage: What happened to your Flea SR, jjh?

Looking through FM's iso and I seem to have missed a question

It evaporated. You are lockscum, both in terms of play and now mechanically as you would have been hammered if you were town. I thought it was most likely that only one of you and Flea was scum, but wasn't ruling out a team. However, Roden has all the associatives in the world with you and if town almost certainly would not have been the last person to fight.

[jjh927]

Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-

Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, your

death is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.

Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.

If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.

Don't see how we lose. If we elim scum today and it does turn out to be Faerie, I'm likely fighting you tonight if you're town. If I win the fight, you can't tunnel me in ELo, and instead I'm going into ELo with Flea at the very least, who doesn't scum read me. Worst case scenario, ELo is Flea/Dwlee/me and Dwlee is town and death tunnels me, and scum!Flea just quick hammers once Dwlee votes.

Basically we only lose if town plays impulsively, which I don't expect anyone here to do.

I passed over this because I didn't think it was worth responding to given your reluctance, but no, it is

It's not about impulsive play. It's about how you are the CLEAR partner to scum!Faerie. Do you not see how absurdly obvious the associatives are at every level here? This goes beyond a kneejerk reaction; my death will not and absolutely should not mean you avoid getting limmed. If you are alive next day phase, you should be the lim with no questions asked. That's not an impulse play. That's just a correct play based on where we would find ourselves.

Unfortunately for you, you have a scum role PM and so throwing the fight would mean you just lose

[jjh927]

But yeah I'm gonna be here waiting for Flea and Dwlee

Roden has made it pretty clear he's gonna sit on the fence and try and drum up paranoia on me

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Faerie
Okay I'm going full send

Is it possible it's jjh or something. I mean sure. But also fight pattern + scumminess in general so yea

[Dwlee99]

Inb4 I lose like a 5th or 6th town game in a row

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: it's jjh. What makes more sense:
Us coming in scumreading jjh instead of going for roden/flea, whichever "isn't our scum buddy"
or
Jjh coming in scumreading us instead of going for roden/flea

Jjh/Flea is the scumteam.

[Faerie Mages]

Mage: If we go for either Roden or Flea, we always have enough votes.

[jjh927]

Yeah I thought you might run with that

What in the fuck was I doing in day 1 if it was a me/flea/nk15 scumteam

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: It could be Jjh/Dwlee but that would be risky play. Flea would be town's last hope.
Mage: I predict this is a loss

[Faerie Mages]

Yeah I thought you might run with that

What in the fuck was I doing in day 1 if it was a me/flea/nk15 scumteam

Faerie: Your day 1 play was what floated you until now and is winning you the game. You tell us what you were doing.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so I'm not teamed with jjh now? Why?

[jjh927]

I see you've now realised dwlee is the other person voting you and are trying to appeal to flea because Roden is your scumbuddy

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: vibes

[Faerie Mages]

I see you've now realised dwlee is the other person voting you and are trying to appeal to flea because Roden is your scumbuddy

Faerie: I never knew people appealed to others by scumreading them. That's news to us

[jjh927]

Buuuuuh?

Flea would be town's last hope.

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: Did you only read the last sentence or something

[jjh927]

No, I read the rest of it, but that part was the shameless appeal to Flea when "town's last hope" is a bit much if you were really considering the scenario of being voted by both scum and only both scum

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: Flea would be town's last hope as I don't see them as town anymore.

[jjh927]

[Roden]

Am I coasting on winning the first fight? Half the time I've felt like I'm the only one playing the game

I mean, you've had zero suspicion thrown at you Day 2 onwards. Also I've definitely been trying to solve since the start so idk what you're talking about there.

Mage: What happened to your Flea SR, jjh?

Looking through FM's iso and I seem to have missed a question

It evaporated. You are lockscum, both in terms of play and now mechanically as you would have been hammered if you were town. I thought it was most likely that only one of you and Flea was scum, but wasn't ruling out a team. However, Roden has all the associatives in the world with you and if town almost certainly would not have been the last person to fight.

Wrong for multiple reasons. I've been wanting to fight for awhile and feel confident that I could win. Additionally, you assume I have associatives and that I can't possibly have just had an incorrect town read. Does my progression on Faerie look fake to you?

Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-

Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, your

death is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.

Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.

If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.

Don't see how we lose. If we elim scum today and it does turn out to be Faerie, I'm likely fighting you tonight if you're town. If I win the fight, you can't tunnel me in ELo, and instead I'm going into ELo with Flea at the very least, who doesn't scum read me. Worst case scenario, ELo is Flea/Dwlee/me and Dwlee is town and death tunnels me, and scum!Flea just quick hammers once Dwlee votes.

Basically we only lose if town plays impulsively, which I don't expect anyone here to do.

I passed over this because I didn't think it was worth responding to given your reluctance, but no, it is

It's not about impulsive play. It's about how you are the CLEAR partner to scum!Faerie. Do you not see how absurdly obvious the associatives are at every level here? This goes beyond a kneejerk reaction; my death will not and absolutely should not mean you avoid getting limmed. If you are alive next day phase, you should be the lim with no questions asked. That's not an impulse play. That's just a correct play based on where we would find ourselves.

Unfortunately for you, you have a scum role PM and so throwing the fight would mean you just lose

If town chooses not to solve in ELo and instant votes me then we kinda deserve to lose. There's literally zero way you can spin town instant voting in ELo as my fault.

[jjh927]

Does my progression on Faerie look fake to you?

Yes

Name two reasons why you think Faerie is town

[jjh927]

You, and only you, have the ability to remove yourself from the game. If you are town, you are an extremely likely mislim.

I would say the situation you are in is much like a claimed bodyguard making it to Elo and being like "I didn't want to use my ability"

[Dwlee99]

Yea I don't think jjh needs to keep pushing like this if flea is scum

[Roden]

I wanna hear from Flea before anything else happens. Still tempted to vote JJH though.

[Roden]

Does my progression on Faerie look fake to you?

Yes

Name two reasons why you think Faerie is town

Explain why it's fake.

I already have.