MT 2263: Web of Lies - Game Over

[Flea The Magician]

Flea is, in my opinion, behaviorally cleared. Until elo where I guess you could get extra paranoid for fun.

Math is just an artifact of my house read. I'm pretty sure if they replaced into anybody else's slot I'd have been tunneled on math again because this isn't the first time he tried to get me eliminated for a 'scum' slip.

I'm sorry I have behavioural tells now!?

So share these with me at some point

[Lukewarm]

I am pretty sure it was in reference to killing off Malcolm.

Behaviorally you would not have thrown your newbie partner under the bus that way

[Flea The Magician]

absolutely not, as I said i try and help them save.

Games as much about having fun and learning to recover from stuff like that.

I genuinely felt so bad for that slip but ya know i can't ignore it

[Flea The Magician]

ok now I've read yeah that slip clearing 3 people with SM being optimised definitely put in a dint in the game.
Only real info I think we got from dead chat was Dunn being cleared and honestly I don't think that was so much of an advantage. I save a potential miselim but given Nora's read rate on Dunn I wasn't voting there ever.

[Flea The Magician]

Also Nora having god tier reads again... starting to get scared o.o

[Stephen A Smith]

Noraa is scary af when she's town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok now I've read yeah that slip clearing 3 people with SM being optimised definitely put in a dint in the game.
Only real info I think we got from dead chat was Dunn being cleared and honestly I don't think that was so much of an advantage. I save a potential miselim but given Nora's read rate on Dunn I wasn't voting there ever.

Doctor to protect the functional cop that SM had become, An Innocent Child, a mechanics read that confirms once one scum neighbourizer flips the town one is probably town...

The things are just too much. The game was essentially won on PoE

[Lukewarm]

Malcolm, I don't know if you are keeping up with this thread, but if you are - I hope you don't feel too bad. It happens.

[Noraa]

I was insistent SM was clear because i doctored them last night.
That was part of why my reads were really good >.<

[Noraa]

night 1 doctor was lowkey totally off base because i had just repped it @_@
i docced lukewarm lmao

[Noraa]

Good game. This is like the tenth game i've misread bell in or something :3

[Lukewarm]

I don't think that SM's role gets that much use 99% of the time.

For example, if Bell had been the TA though, he had

ZERO valid targets.

(Math, LLD, Dunn, A50, Enchant were all in different streets || Noraa, Morning Tweet, StrangeMatter, and Flea were all in different Careers).

That would have been even worse if all four careers were chosen close to evenly. The heavy lean away from Agriculture and Industy made the odds of having targets more likely.


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Looking over the mod notes, it looks like the TA was guaranteed to be in Dranlon street.

That hood was 6 people. I was always uninvestigable, and then TA themselves was as well. From the start,

there were only 4 possible targets

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If the career hoods were evenly distributed, you would expect there to be exactly one valid target for the TA. Then the neighborizors fire, and possibly ruin that.

So, on average, I think that the TA gets 0.x clears from their ability, and they never get to choose who they are able to invest. it is always chosen for them - and we managed to get two clears on slots that were not already cleared by the scum slip. Which is way better then the expected result.

[Noraa]

omg i want to read the hood i created

[Lukewarm]

I think that with no scum slip, and with the TA only having one target - this game would have been okay.

The TA was swingy in design, and this roll of the set up gave it about the maximum amount of power it ever could have gotten.

[Noraa]

darn it no perms D:

[Noraa]

Also Nora having god tier reads again... starting to get scared o.o

o-o
m-my reads?!??!

[Lukewarm]

night 1 doctor was lowkey totally off base because i had just repped it @_@
i docced lukewarm lmao

I think that without the scum slip clearing flea and stephen, I was likely to be the night kill. So you were not terribly far off. - But they stole priority from me lol

[Noraa]

uh i didnt really get the whole scum slip clearing flea and stephen. i was sort of like ok if i were scum, who would i shoot? oh yes i would totally shoot lukewarm in the face

[Noraa]

Noraa is scary af when she's town.

>.>

[Lukewarm]

oh yes i would totally shoot lukewarm in the face

<3

[Noraa]

Lololol

[Noraa]

I am cery curious if scum figured out i was the doctor. Im probably the worlds worst liar tbh

[Dunnstral]

Ah didn't realize Noraa was actually claiming doctor

[Dunnstral]

Work time. *sad face* it was a nice weekend.

I’m interested in hearing if dunnstral has any opinions.

Spoiler:

Ah by the way I'm a friendly neighbor.

So. It's not me.

And it's not Noraa, because they have the traffic analyst result on them.

And it's not StrangeMatter, because they are the Traffic Analyst, of which there was a backup.

And it's not Lukewarm, because he coordinated the above, and didn't interfere with it when he had knowledge*. And their role. And they're organizing favorable checks for the town.

*It may not have been possible to interfere with it due to the nature of neighborhoods

And it's not Flea, because they outted Malcolm when only they had access to that information.

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So that leaves Almost50, Enchant, Morning Tweet, Bell, House, and Lady Lambdadelta.

Feel free to try to narrow it down further, but this is where I am most comfortable drawing the line without feeling like I'm falsely putting someone as town.

[Morning Tweet]

Just a few comments on balance:

1) I think the impact of being able to speak after death was underestimated quite a bit. I think that's the biggest flaw in the setup's balance. Mafia did receive this benefit too however.
2) The traffic analyst role honestly did a lot better than I expected. We basically agreed in review that it was a fairly weak role given the neighborhood chaos.
3) While we expected some kind of neighborhood massclaim early on, we didn't expect such open communication of information between the neighborhoods.
4) The scum slip cleared a bunch of people and certainly didn't help the setup's balance.
5) I will be hosting a Web of Lies 2 in the near future due to the scum slip. It won't be the same setup. If you have suggestions, please fill out my survey.

A big part of scum power is silencing the people who are scumreading the team. If someone is giving me a headache and i dont have the option to silence them or even attempt to it's just a bummer

Yeah I think if that role had only generated one inno and the whole Malcolm confirms didn't happen, then the traffic analyst would have been better

I think splitting up players impedes town progress 90% of the time

Ooh survey!