Mini 2265: Bears with Guns 2: Pandamonium game over

[MegAzumarill]

Still don't see how that would implicate town!momo but I see your point on roden

[MathBlade]

Still don't see how that would implicate town!momo but I see your point on roden

Generally if someone thinks the same thought I had (before I post it) they’re usually town.
Doesn’t always work but it’s enough to start

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: Toog

This is the fifth vote on Toog. Bringing someone to L-2 on post 37 without so much as a comment (even just one saying that it's L-2) is not the best look.

You're right, sorry.

VOTE: Momo

This is E-5.

Lol

[Vanderscamp]

In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

[Vanderscamp]

Oh idk I've only played the one game with him, and he was town there. So like, it's at least not wholly scum indicative.

I dislike this entire exchange from 39->41.
It feels disingenuous.
I think there is a scum in Van and Cat.
Probably Van.

If you don’t like the wagon speed then look for scum who agreed (regardless of if you agree with the logic or not).
If anything the people on wagon are more likely to be town as quick hammers this fast rarely happen.

Maybe I'm wrong about what Cat was referring to but I'm pretty sure nothing we were saying was related to the wagon speed, it was about your imo terrible take on toog

[Vanderscamp]

Roden was also pretty snarky with that post.

I have trouble detecting it and could feel it from here without a stethoscope lmao

I agree I liked the Rosen post

[MathBlade]

In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

Mala if scum, can make a bad push and get me to tunnel her.

Once I tunnel on someone it’s very difficult for me to switch.

So if she pushes me then she could end up in that tunnel which is bad for scum Mala.

Therefore it’s likely town Mala.

I feel this is getting repetitive. You’re asking the same question different ways.

[MathBlade]

Oh idk I've only played the one game with him, and he was town there. So like, it's at least not wholly scum indicative.

I dislike this entire exchange from 39->41.
It feels disingenuous.
I think there is a scum in Van and Cat.
Probably Van.

If you don’t like the wagon speed then look for scum who agreed (regardless of if you agree with the logic or not).
If anything the people on wagon are more likely to be town as quick hammers this fast rarely happen.

Maybe I'm wrong about what Cat was referring to but I'm pretty sure nothing we were saying was related to the wagon speed, it was about your imo terrible take on toog

Yeah I think you’re scum if Toog is.

You entirely glossed over my point
If you assume I am being “weird” for whatever reason/alignment you put on there
You’re continuing to focus on me being “weird”
Despite a noticable wagon having picked up.
It’s odd to say the least.

You could also see why others voted Toog? I have already explained it a lot.
So not quite sure how that helps you sort me but I can definitely see shade.

[Greeting]

Was

Toogeloo

really brought to E-1 with RVS votes?

[MathBlade]

Was

Toogeloo

really brought to E-1 with RVS votes?

I think E-2 but yeah it was close.

[Vanderscamp]

In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

Mala if scum, can make a bad push and get me to tunnel her.

Once I tunnel on someone it’s very difficult for me to switch.

So if she pushes me then she could end up in that tunnel which is bad for scum Mala.

Therefore it’s likely town Mala.

I feel this is getting repetitive. You’re asking the same question different ways.

I understand and generally agree with everything you're saying here, but the question I have and the reason why I'm asking this is because I don't understand how "pushing on you" specifically as an RVS vote could cause what you're talking about.
It's obviously possible that Mala comes in and gives a very scummy RVS vote for some reason, but even then, why would it matter that the vote is on you?

[Vanderscamp]

Oh idk I've only played the one game with him, and he was town there. So like, it's at least not wholly scum indicative.

I dislike this entire exchange from 39->41.
It feels disingenuous.
I think there is a scum in Van and Cat.
Probably Van.

If you don’t like the wagon speed then look for scum who agreed (regardless of if you agree with the logic or not).
If anything the people on wagon are more likely to be town as quick hammers this fast rarely happen.

Maybe I'm wrong about what Cat was referring to but I'm pretty sure nothing we were saying was related to the wagon speed, it was about your imo terrible take on toog

Yeah I think you’re scum if Toog is.

You entirely glossed over my point
If you assume I am being “weird” for whatever reason/alignment you put on there
You’re continuing to focus on me being “weird”
Despite a noticable wagon having picked up.
It’s odd to say the least.

You could also see why others voted Toog? I have already explained it a lot.
So not quite sure how that helps you sort me but I can definitely see shade.

I glossed over your point because I had no clue how anything you were saying was related to what cat and I were talking about.

To answer the point I think you're making, I could not care less about the Toog wagon because it's an RVS wagon.
Does that help?

IIRC there's one toog vote that isn't RVS and I have actually asked you about it.

[Vanderscamp]

And fwiw I am shading you, I think the reads you've given so far have been so bizarre that it's hard to believe a town could believe them.

[MathBlade]

In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

Mala if scum, can make a bad push and get me to tunnel her.

Once I tunnel on someone it’s very difficult for me to switch.

So if she pushes me then she could end up in that tunnel which is bad for scum Mala.

Therefore it’s likely town Mala.

I feel this is getting repetitive. You’re asking the same question different ways.

I understand and generally agree with everything you're saying here, but the question I have and the reason why I'm asking this is because I don't understand how "pushing on you" specifically as an RVS vote could cause what you're talking about.
It's obviously possible that Mala comes in and gives a very scummy RVS vote for some reason, but even then, why would it matter that the vote is on you?

And I already explained it’s because of my personality and that I am a tunneler.

You’re really pushing my patience here.

[MathBlade]

And fwiw I am shading you, I think the reads you've given so far have been so bizarre that it's hard to believe a town could believe them.

Except a good chunk of the game agrees, so it’s not bizarre?

You not understanding something doesn’t make it weird or bizarre.

It only means you don’t understand/agree.

Your single unilateral focus on me is a bit weird.

[Vanderscamp]

In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

Mala if scum, can make a bad push and get me to tunnel her.

Once I tunnel on someone it’s very difficult for me to switch.

So if she pushes me then she could end up in that tunnel which is bad for scum Mala.

Therefore it’s likely town Mala.

I feel this is getting repetitive. You’re asking the same question different ways.

I understand and generally agree with everything you're saying here, but the question I have and the reason why I'm asking this is because I don't understand how "pushing on you" specifically as an RVS vote could cause what you're talking about.
It's obviously possible that Mala comes in and gives a very scummy RVS vote for some reason, but even then, why would it matter that the vote is on you?

And I already explained it’s because of my personality and that I am a tunneler.

You’re really pushing my patience here.

I still don't understand but it's clear this isn't getting anywhere.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I also think the Toog read is bizarre fwiw. I just know it's not necessarily scummy

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Is anyone voting for Toog voting because of the reasoning in 12? I'd be interested in hearing why

[Vanderscamp]

And fwiw I am shading you, I think the reads you've given so far have been so bizarre that it's hard to believe a town could believe them.

Except a good chunk of the game agrees, so it’s not bizarre?

You not understanding something doesn’t make it weird or bizarre.

It only means you don’t understand/agree.

Your single unilateral focus on me is a bit weird.

You're one of the only people this game that's said stuff that I think could be alignment indicative!

It could be the case that everyone else agrees with the logic begin your reads, I seriously doubt it, but in the case that I am wrong about your reads being too bizarre for town I'd rather ask you about it (and other people that have played with you) and figure that out.

[Toogeloo]

Is anyone voting for Toog voting because of the reasoning in 12? I'd be interested in hearing why

I'm going to take a guess that only Math is serious on me. Everyone else is just there because of RVS Panda Avi shenanigans being funny.

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Does he do this stuff as both alignments?

Math tries to distract with setup solving as scum. If he's not legit pushing reads and is instead playing like, "if X is true, then Y must be the scum, but if X is not true, it might be Z," then I'd say Math is Mafia. He does a lot of busy work that doesn't actually solve anything in order to look like he's trying.

But if Math is actually pushing reads with reasons why he's pushing those reads, there is a good chance he's town.

Hope that makes sense.

[Roden]

Is anyone voting for Toog voting because of the reasoning in 12? I'd be interested in hearing why

I voted Toog for claiming Ninja Godfather. Or whatever a "Reverse Miller Polar Bear in a Ninja Suit" is supposed to be.

[Vanderscamp]

Is anyone voting for Toog voting because of the reasoning in 12? I'd be interested in hearing why

I'm going to take a guess that only Math is serious on me. Everyone else is just there because of RVS Panda Avi shenanigans being funny.

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Does he do this stuff as both alignments?

Math tries to distract with setup solving as scum. If he's not legit pushing reads and is instead playing like, "if X is true, then Y must be the scum, but if X is not true, it might be Z," then I'd say Math is Mafia. He does a lot of busy work that doesn't actually solve anything in order to look like he's trying.

But if Math is actually pushing reads with reasons why he's pushing those reads, there is a good chance he's town.

Hope that makes sense.

Yep, thanks

[Malakittens]

I’ll be back tonight to read the whole mono v roden & math v van because there seems to be content there,

Just now I want to sleep more before another exciting overnight!!!

[MathBlade]

JV where art thou?

Are you beary scared to post because you’re a panda?

[Greeting]

I also think the Toog read is bizarre fwiw. I just know it's not necessarily scummy

Can 31 even be called a read? Because like, this is bad, seems intentionally bad to start a discussion about it, and worst thing about this it could all come from town who just want RVS gone even if it resorts to discussion over trivial things like that.