CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[SirCakez]

Votecount 8.1

"In the Butte AWE, agents of the Federal Bureau of Control arrived at the home of a local celebrity in the town of Butte, Montana on September 23, 1992, after a series of disappearances were reported in the area. The agents discovered a light switch cord which caused one agent to disappear; a second agent testing the cord also vanished. Both agents were discovered days later in the Oldest House, in a sealed room discovered by Rangers in a newly explored region of the House. The cord disappeared from the Butte household during this time and reappeared in the Oldest House in various locations.

The agents reported that they had been transported from Butte to a roadside motel, dubbed the Oceanview Motel and Casino, with various locked doors. The agents discovered a ritual which enabled them to enter a room with an inverted black pyramid on the door, transporting them back to the Oldest House. The Bureau used the cords in the Oldest House to conduct further research of the Motel, identifying it as a Place of Power."

Tictac (1) - NorwegianboyEE

Not voting (5) - Cephrir, tictac, The Three Bears, Roden, mastina

(expired on 2022-03-12 15:45:00) remain until day end

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

Please let me know if you see any errors with this count!

[Roden]

Is this it then? Do we just wait to see if a quick hammer happens?

My reread didn't get me anywhere, or at least it was nothing substantial. Andante kept suggesting 4 scum but she flipped town. I'm at a point where I feel like all roads lead to whittling down the PoE, but...yeah.

[Roden]

I pretty much agree with Ceph's recent case too. Mold theory is also interesting and could explain a lot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need 4 for a lim. If scum team is 2 there won’t be an quickhammer no?

[Roden]

I'm dumb, you're right on that.

[The Three Bears]

Actually ima just put the money where my mouth is.
I 100% agree with the opinion that Tictac has to be scum here.
I know there has been townflips earlier but Galron did indeed fake claim when he shouldn’t have, and Andante i feel would have been the lim today on an Tictac!scumflip anyways.
So my reads are not really proven to have been wrong based on those flips. It’s just unlucky distractions imo. So i don’t see the need to re-evaluate away from Tictac!scum. So i say, kill Tictac today. Find the partner tommorow.
VOTE: Tictac

Didn't I just lay out a plan that would force tictac to vote first?

Please pay attention.

My homicide trial is done. I'm very annoyed though as this gives me little confidence in anyone's ability to follow instructions.

~Mama

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not my mom. I do whatever i want.

[mastina]

Actually ima just put the money where my mouth is.
I 100% agree with the opinion that Tictac has to be scum here.
I know there has been townflips earlier but Galron did indeed fake claim when he shouldn’t have, and Andante i feel would have been the lim today on an Tictac!scumflip anyways.
So my reads are not really proven to have been wrong based on those flips. It’s just unlucky distractions imo. So i don’t see the need to re-evaluate away from Tictac!scum. So i say, kill Tictac today. Find the partner tommorow.
VOTE: Tictac

Didn't I just lay out a plan that would force tictac to vote first?

Please pay attention.

My homicide trial is done. I'm very annoyed though as this gives me little confidence in anyone's ability to follow instructions.

~Mama

Pardon my goldfish memory, but where were those instructions?

I legit have absolutely zero memory of any plan regarding Tictac.

[The Three Bears]

I detailed about fake voting to force the scummy people to vote first.

~Mama

[Roden]

Then Tictac should vote, right? Does anybody think that Tictac shouldn't be the first voter?

[tictac]

You might not have hammered a wagon on scum for the towncred, but what you did do was get a fast-pass to mylo.

uh what?

[tictac]

cathing up..

[tictac]

And, what I said about the denial of information remains true. You prevented me from having a chance to analyze more, as I had intended to do later that day.

The exact reasons for why the hammer was a scumclaim have changed, sure! That the hammer was a scumclaim has not, because it still very much was one.

cool logic

[tictac]

harebrained theory:

tet claimed to be roleblocked. as far as i'm aware, we have seen no further evidence a roleblocker exists.

tet targeted bears early on, while they were moldy.

what if the effect of mold is "players who target moldy targets are roleblocked the following night" ? is there anything that disproves this?

that was std, no?

[tictac]

i don't think you've ever explained the flavor reason for this being an ascetic. would you care to? also did toog ever weigh in on this?

flavor is, i don't like being controlled and will float out of reach.

For the record the TV becomes Hiss corrupted and breaks containment.
soooo.....

-Pinkie

and yes I'm aware it grants levitate when it's returned to containment.

Haven't you been preaching that flavor is irrelevant? The TV is one of Jesse's Objects of Power after she contains it, and almost all of the Objects of Power in the game need to be contained or cleansed.

And honestly, a leveraging TV certainly sounds untargetable by all but killing actions.

Just sayin'.

[tictac]

i guess the idea here is that being an ascetic is supposed to excuse not scumhunting? that doesn't really make sense to me. if you think you're going to be a required elim by endgame, shouldn't you be trying to have MORE impact on town's decisions now, with no fear of being NKed if you're right?

who fears nks ever (except as pr) dunno why folks think this wouldcause a distinguishable shit to townie direction.
way i see it, my job is to optimize the yeet. that is the only thing.
sure. this game that hasn't gone super well.

[tictac]

im hardly the first to say so, but there is 0 town motivation for this post

what's the scum motivation then?
i disagree with the thought that spelling out blatantly obvious things is ever anti-town.

[tictac]

he's been pretty checked out.

i haven't actually before this game-day.

[tictac]

this is the first time i've seen suspicion of bears from the slot. so it's a little odd to me that we jumped straight to yeet it. particularly when:

day entry bears susp was couse std died, and i didn't have the info that the kill was actually mala and std bodyguarded.
if u read what i said it's pretty clear it was nka

[tictac]

we are allegedly still very suspicious of mastina, so why suggest yeeting bears instead, and why not vote either of them? feels to me like testing the water on bears.

this is after mala claim

[tictac]

incidentally, i think anyone who didn't show much urgency or try hard to push their reads yesterday showed scum signs. since town didn't know it wasn't the final day, and i for one start feeling a lot of pressure to get it right when the game is nearly over. maybe less weight behind this point for anyone who has expressed feeling demotivated though, i do recognize not everyone thinks the way i do

no that is fair.
i would have stressed more and stuff, if i didn't think there were 3 scum left and thus one of (andant, mastina) had to be scum by votes-mech. (and m didn't have a vote down)
stressing more doesn't translate to more pushing/hunting being faster. it translates to going

slower

and reading more.

[tictac]

Actually ima just put the money where my mouth is.
I 100% agree with the opinion that Tictac has to be scum here.
I know there has been townflips earlier but Galron did indeed fake claim when he shouldn’t have, and Andante i feel would have been the lim today on an Tictac!scumflip anyways.
So my reads are not really proven to have been wrong based on those flips. It’s just unlucky distractions imo. So i don’t see the need to re-evaluate away from Tictac!scum. So i say, kill Tictac today. Find the partner tommorow.
VOTE: Tictac

[The Three Bears]

Mastina show me a world in which town can win here.

Easy; eliminating two scum in a row. Ideally mold-source-scum first.

It's really not that hard. You just need to eliminate the scum.

I am aware Ceph just cased tictac as scum. I'm ambivalent about whether it's genuinely not scum-scum or if it's scum distancing, but I actually think that no matter what, tictac is the right elimination here. The only world where tictac isn't scum is if it's Cephrir + Roden, but I seem to recall midgame interactions that very strongly suggest that wouldn't be the case.

I can go back to verify these on Thursday to be sure, but I just think that tictac's the best elimination here by far.

So you're treating this as 2vs4?

-Pinkie

[tictac]

i am. certain enough about that and uncertain enough about reads in general.
lets see if sanity has a chance here
VOTE: no yeet

[Cephrir]

harebrained theory:

tet claimed to be roleblocked. as far as i'm aware, we have seen no further evidence a roleblocker exists.

tet targeted bears early on, while they were moldy.

what if the effect of mold is "players who target moldy targets are roleblocked the following night" ? is there anything that disproves this?

that was std, no?

STD had a roleblock. dont remember him using it on tet, but i also don't remember what he did do with it

we aren't noliming.