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[Andante]

greeting's read quality decreased when he was wagoned

lmaooo I mean, I don't blame greeting... my reads when wagoned... are basically just omgus reads

[Andante]

And back to my stephen/umlaut thought, if stephen "can't see umlaut maf" and can't give reads of his own... I don't think I've seen a single read other than the "DWLEE MAF!!" right out of the gate from stephen... maybe it's just stephen?

[the worst]

So that final Vc...
Greeting [7]:

fireisredsir

,

Nero Cain

,

Eyes without a face

,

Stephen A Smith

,

Scorpious

,

HockeyFan

,

Dwlee99

[HAMMER]

(I like your color version more)

but.. would all 3 go on that wagon? oh.. you didn't end on the greeting wagon? lol I so thought you did cause all I remember from d1 was you being like "lol I'm voting whoever"

So, Umlaut maf? voting me? or 3 on the same wagon... hmmm

2 are guaranteed to be on the wagon. don't just look to the wagon, look at counterwagons too - there's nowhere else for scum to really be except on a vanity wagon (me against scorp for distancing / umlaut on you as a vanity wagon).
i definitely think the lim turned against greeting quite quickly and it wouldn't be all that surprising if all 3 were on there? i'm kind of indifferent about the number of scum on that wagon, but it's known to be 2-3.

pedit: oh, i didn't catch that scorp was guiltied, lol. that kind of nulls vca a bit. i think it's interesting to note how likely it was that *nero* had both partners bussing.

[the worst]

And back to my stephen/umlaut thought, if stephen "can't see umlaut maf" and can't give reads of his own... I don't think I've seen a single read other than the "DWLEE MAF!!" right out of the gate from stephen... maybe it's just stephen?

i'm so lukewarm on stephen. he hasn't really done anything towny except make proactive noises on d1 but i wonder if that's kind of a towntell for him?
dogpiling greeting, bussing nero, bussing scorpious does fit a version of reality, but. eh. i just think eyes or umlaut are kinda more likely.

[Andante]

Before this was only talking to fire and hockey, then this:

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.

I am unsatisfied with Dwlee's answer to my question. I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually mafia here.

your list has no weight behind it, so it has no stakes. you can move away from any of those reads at any time without consequence because you didn't put any reasoning behind them. if any of the reads end up looking like good directions to push, you can come up with reasons for them later. you even said that your list was fluid

so why is that scum indicative? you think I'm supposed to have rock solid reads on page three and not re-evaluate as the game unfolds?

It's AI because its a hedge list based on nothing,and its on like page 3 and regardless of what happens you have left every possible out for yourself.like all of them. Thats why it's scummy.

Am I supposed to have rock solid reads on page three of a game? What you call hedging I call starting a damn conversation.

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.

I am unsatisfied with Dwlee's answer to my question. I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually mafia here.

shtick aside, wouldn't it be easier to just say that,maybe try again and move on? See, I love this character. But I'm trying to figure out right now if your slot is about it or the game more.

That's not how I roll and you know it. That is a fact.

then immediately back to joking around, this could be maf tbh

[Andante]

So that final Vc...
Greeting [7]:

fireisredsir

,

Nero Cain

,

Eyes without a face

,

Stephen A Smith

,

Scorpious

,

HockeyFan

,

Dwlee99

[HAMMER]

(I like your color version more)

but.. would all 3 go on that wagon? oh.. you didn't end on the greeting wagon? lol I so thought you did cause all I remember from d1 was you being like "lol I'm voting whoever"

So, Umlaut maf? voting me? or 3 on the same wagon... hmmm

2 are guaranteed to be on the wagon. don't just look to the wagon, look at counterwagons too - there's nowhere else for scum to really be except on a vanity wagon (me against scorp for distancing / umlaut on you as a vanity wagon).
i definitely think the lim turned against greeting quite quickly and it wouldn't be all that surprising if all 3 were on there? i'm kind of indifferent about the number of scum on that wagon, but it's known to be 2-3.

pedit: oh, i didn't catch that scorp was guiltied, lol. that kind of nulls vca a bit. i think it's interesting to
note how likely it was that *nero* had both partners bussing.

Right... only other "wagons" are maf, maf, me, and I know why Umlaut was voting me... versus I'm pretty sure no one had a reason for the greeting wagon... easy for maf to hide there.
The greeting wagon was FAST, which means it's more likely stephen over umlaut

[Andante]

And back to my stephen/umlaut thought, if stephen "can't see umlaut maf" and can't give reads of his own... I don't think I've seen a single read other than the "DWLEE MAF!!" right out of the gate from stephen... maybe it's just stephen?

i'm so lukewarm on stephen. he hasn't really done anything towny except make proactive noises on d1 but i wonder if that's kind of a towntell for him?
dogpiling greeting, bussing nero, bussing scorpious does fit a version of reality, but. eh. i just think eyes or umlaut are kinda more likely.

to be fair, nero and scorp wagons were very straightforward, someone went "they're maf" and they happened basically. But Stephen did not interact with Nero, and had weird interactions with Scorp (cause scorp was always in thread) Stephen started pretty strong with that gimmick, then just like, dissapeared

so actually I'm thinking this tbh VOTE: Stephen

[the worst]

i'm not really excited about flinging my vote around before hockey checks in

[Andante]

tbh I loved this reading session!!
and like, Stephen maf makes a lot of sense for why he completely dismissed me calling Umlaut maf, cause he's maf, knows we're all town, so obviously this "major scum thing I found" on a town would just be something dumb, yeah, I feel good about this tbh, and hopefully when the others show up they either agree or have something good for why it's someone else

[Andante]

hahaha yeah probably a better move... but we have 7 alive, I'm not super scared

[the worst]

i'm acutely wary of stephen but i think i'd rather a flip in [eyes, umlaut] while we've got the time :p

[Andante]

HOW THE HECK DO I HAVE THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY POSTS... omg I'm so sorry people!!! I feel really good about townreading the duck here (I can't call my townread the worst... lol) so this is good!!

[Andante]

I'm gonna do something really wild now...
UNVOTE:
(but consider it on Stephen)

alright, night yall!!

[the worst]

im town :0

night andante

[Stephen A Smith]

And back to my stephen/umlaut thought, if stephen "can't see umlaut maf" and can't give reads of his own... I don't think I've seen a single read other than the "DWLEE MAF!!" right out of the gate from stephen... maybe it's just stephen?

if I was mafia it'd be easier for me to help you bury umlaut

[the worst]

agree w 2764

the more I reflect on FA the more I feel like I understand why I vibe with her Andante read, but rhat I also dont think andante is scum. Andante is just always whimsical and flippant with her reads and in a vacuum I don't really feel like she's advanced agenda this game - if anything she's more like, inaccessible and confusing. which is just an Andante thing.

ideally I'll try and actually read over Andante's iso if I need to (screaming internally) but maybe just maybe we can win without that !!

[Stephen A Smith]

we have a backup gunsmith, an alien and someone that the gunsmith investigated

we have three yeets

we're pretty close to mech win

just calm down andy

[the worst]

can I tell u a secret

[the worst]

imma do it

I don't think there's an alium in this setup.

[Stephen A Smith]

whatever even if datisi is trolling us and there's no alien we should have a 4th TPR

[the worst]

probs. this setup is pretty anti-swingy.

[the worst]

I would be, like, quite shocked if mafia had a gs inno role.

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm actually kind of surprised the mafia killed the joat that used their shots rather than the verified backup gunsmith tbh

kinda makes me think the backup gunsmith is a mafia backup gunsmith but if hockey is that he's kind of fucked no matter what

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Eyes
Imagine if I was right this whole time that'd be zany

Also yea idk why scum didn't kill the gunsmith unless they have a scum doc

[Stephen A Smith]