Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame

[Aristeia]

on which read?

[Cape90]

I don't think skitter is scummy for saying what she did about Datisi.
It sounds pretty normal to me. While not everyone here is completely familiar with Datisi's playstyle, I don't think it's scummy for skitter to suggest that Datisi's posts are NAI.

The point was not that she suggested his posts are NAI - that is what I expect town skitter to do. And I’m sure she knew that part, regardless of what her alignment is. The point is that she started it with disbelief that he was getting pressure from players who don’t know him, knowing full well that she is using her experience with Datisi to sort him.

She saw an opportunity to make a read (fake content) that she would as town and slipped up in how she presented it.

Maybe she just thought that other players would see the same things she did, but it turned out that they didn't.

136 noted for being potentially a town tell, a scum tell, or both!

Frogster, you know this post means absolutely nothing right? Like you literally made it mean nothing

[humaneatingmonkey]

are the reads fabricated? maybe. i just wanna learn more about you and why you thought to include the people you had in your townvibes and the people who had on your scumvibes. they seem strong enough vibes to be willing to put it out there.

why are you delaying the conversation, dont you wanna talk about your reads

[Frogsterking]

Do Aristeia and Datisi know each other in person?

I don't know about irl, but I replaced out of a game (which is now completed) where they both made this kind of shitposting as Town.

Link:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

I believe the behavior is NAI but extremely AntiTown and I'm down to policy lim Ari for it and/or Dats if he's resisting the Ari policy lim too much.

[Aristeia]

I am looking for a geniune thought process on your part

which implies you looked at my list and thought "this doesn't make sense"

the fact I've asked you twice now for which read is out of place to you and you haven't been able to respond off the cuff makes me think you're likelier to be scum here in the sense that you haven't actually evaluated my reads and compared them to yours because you have no reads.

[Cape90]

skitter, what did you think of 123?

you didnt ask but your post caught my eye

I felt it was hedgy in a not scummy way, or a too scummy way. Either way a lightly towny way

[humaneatingmonkey]

whatever. just talk to me about your reads.

[Aristeia]

btw there was a gimme in the readlist in the sense that STD has only one post and i have him at townread and if you were actually inspecting the readlist - that should've jumped out to you.

Kind of a layup gimme that I gave you but I don't think you care because you didn't even notice it.

[Aristeia]

so thanks for stepping on that trap : )

VOTE: monkey

[Cape90]

Okay following 163 I feel compelled to share wu is a townlean for me unironically.

Well folks, I think my work here is done.

this is the most effort filled and incredibly analysis of the situation I have ever seen... the sheer amount of thought and consideration that has gone into making this robust and thought provoking assessment is worthy of the highest honours bestowed upon those in the field of thought.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol

[Aristeia]

extremely AntiTown

I mean we did win despite your best efforts to eliminate me/datisi so perhaps you should re-evaluate : )

[Aristeia]

lol

this doesn't sound like the reaction of a townie who thinks I'm fabricating reads : )

[fireisredsir]

im interested in you, a person who has a readlist with minimal interaction thus far and a blatant buddy attempt

ah, what i mean is i'm generally more interested in your thought process.

the progression here feels like backing off, in a kinda sus way

[Cape90]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

alright I found one

235 - the lol defense. Classic.
224 - hey fire, how about this post is strange and mega forced out.
Scummy confidence in just about everything they do like 203 and 209

[Cape90]

I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.

That's a bad idea.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.

If you all want a real reason to think that GeneralWu is town that isn't the Amine thing, I would have to suggest this

[Scorpious]

Late night… good night…

I’ll read this tomorrow.

Hi game

[Cape90]

This is where I am at right now. I think I have too many town reads

town:

Frogsterking - 24, 71, 135, 194, 150

light town:

skitter30 - 33. 67. 172 bottom part sticks out a lot
Aristeia - 218 felt genuine. Voting monkey is good .
fireisredsir - 197 seems to take 178 a little too for granted. 87.
DeasVail - 110, 152, 168 for this last one, I think trying to randomly convince another person of a townread you have is town+.
GeneralWu

null:

Datisi (I will try again later idk),

light mafia:

tenebrousluminary - 116 just has a tone about it that I think looks not so great.

mafia:

humaneatingmonkey

[fireisredsir]

cape has kinda somewhat similar reads to me and thus he is correct in them and thus he is town

there's like 6 people who haven't posted yet so it's not too out there to believe that most of the people posting so far could be town. i may even go so far as to say that yeet might have been wrong in 66

[tenebrousluminary]

I didn't want to interrupt Datisi and Aristeia while they were having fun, but taking refuge in non-game conversations early on is a tactic I have seen mafia use often. Now that Aristeia has voted me, I regret being considerate!

would you like to talk about game related things?

Is that not what I have been doing?

If you mean you wish to open a dialogue with me, go ahead.

[tenebrousluminary]

@tenebro that's just kinda their dynamic, and its nai, they did the same (as tvt) in the recentky concluded 'bunnies' mini normal

This may be true. I don't plan to completely ignore your experience, but I also am unsure whether I want to let this sort of argument bias how I read players in this game. I think each game can have a unique shape. I am also wary of allowing experienced players to get a leg up by saying this sort of thing, given that I do not plan to fact check any such claims. Players like myself and Yeet do not have this option available. Am I doing us a disservice if I do not question such arguments?

[tenebrousluminary]

I'm already controversial. How exciting!

why does this excite you

Why shouldn't it? Everyone wants to talk about me! I'm drinking in the attention! Plus, I can't get any information from how players approach me if there is universal agreement about me. That's boring.

[tenebrousluminary]

I'm not feeling negative towards Aristeia anymore.

Apologies for making so many posts in a row. I will try to curtail this behavior in the future.

[fua]

Okay, just caught up with the whole game now. There are a few standouts, but I would first like to say that I took issue with the name MaoZedong and brought it up personally with the mod. I don’t know if anyone else was similarly uncomfortable or brought it up and I know Yeet probably doesn’t have bad intentions, but it’s definitely not held up just because he wasn’t around. Especially since we literally had a period where he clearly confirmed he was around beforehand or he would have been included with the two called out.

Early thoughts are that Yeet is probably town and Frogster’s argument on him had no real basis. I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagon, and thus my TR on Yeet gets stronger by association.

No idea what to make of Datisi or Aristeia. I don’t think the latter is right about HEM but that doesn’t mean she’s scummy. Just have no idea how to read her. I didn’t get as bad a vibe from Dats as everyone else is saying, but still.

Frogster reads like an overexcited townie jumping at whatever he can find rather than a scum trying to hit a cheap gotcha. Pretty sure at least one of his hypothetical teammates would have told him to cut out the push if he was scum.

I TR red, Cape90, Skitter, and Wu. Lighter TR/almost neutral on HEM since I think he’s just like that.

[fua]

VOTE: Tenebro