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[the worst]

ok fine maybe he didnt downgrade his claim i still think hes a scumbaggo but im fine going somewhere else or w/e

what's ur plan b?

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't really have a plan b i just think the dude is scum

[Stephen A Smith]

maybe its just dwlee instead

i dunno I just dont think there's 5 TPRs in this game

[the worst]

this is real boring

[the worst]

i'mma wait for eyes & umlaut to check in.

[Dwlee99]

I mean I think eyes or umlaut

[Dwlee99]

I think the way hockey didn't personally clarify 1-shot was kinda townie as well idk

[Umlaut]

It started with the Nero stuff. I was like "NO WAY NERO REAL!" and Umlaut just kept gunning for me... and like, was voting Scorp, saw the guilty and unvoted? mehhhh didn't like the idea of being solo maf here

This is inaccurate to the point it feels deliberate. I wasn't voting Scorp until after the guilty, and even when I unvoted I still figured (and said) they were probably guilty, just wanted more time to think through the mechanics of it.

this is worth noting. frozen is already 2/4 in [nero, scorp, andante, eyes] and if my gut is right, she is probably 3/3.
i think she is killed regardless of andante's alignment at this point.

This is a pretty decent point; FA seemed like a slightly weird kill to me even given Nero scum but seems not so weird in this case.

all umlaut has done has been tunnel me and defend maf

All I've done is defend maf? Go point to a defense I made of maf in this game.

Anyways, I have a Not-Guilty Result on Stephen so either

A. Dudes Tratior/Mafia Doctor
or B. Hes VT and confrimed town?

Traitor is impossible, because the game would be over. Mafia Doctor is possible but I think it's more likely Stephen is just inno.

Btw I'm gonna claim now because I'm confused af.

I'm a backup vigilante. If you're a vigilante... like... why haven't you shot? Unless I'm just meant as a gunsmith Miller but that's lame

I could believe this role as gunsmith miller but I'm also starting to get wary of the sheer number of PR claims in this game. Though this is more of an anti-PR if there's no vig.

ok i'm just going to out

I'm Alien Voyeur.

I think the last scum is between Dwlee/Hockey because I don't think Datisi puts 5 TPRs in this game

we have 3 lims so we can just elim me/dwlee/hockey and auto win

I want to start with Hockey first because scum leaving the gunsmith alive makes very little sense to me and I don't think we're dealing with a Mafia Doctor.

...Stephen and I are both wary, it seems.

That's a decent point but didn't wave confirm Hockey's PR claim? Do you think they're Mafia Backup 1-Shot Gunsmith? Giving Mafia a PR shot after killing a town PR seems so...

bad

.

here's the thing I guess. I wouldn't gamble the game on either interpretation being correct; I don't share stephen's confidence in datisi being incapable of shaking up his mod meta. I don't assume for a moment that datisi is so strongly in favour of 4 tprs per setup that he's going to fight the normal review group on their notion of balance. I think this setup is designed so that increasing one faction's ev deliberately nerfs their sheer power (as scum die, town power roles get weaker). I think that design ethos shines brighter than some bizarre notion that 10:3 games MUST;!!! have 4 TPRs. I think that notion is kind of silly.

I also dont think its entirely impossible.
But I think it's a goofy excuse to chainsaw though claimed roles at the expense of just chainsawing scumbags.

I'd rather just eliminate potential scumbags until I'm confident I can solve via day stuff.

This is good spec

[the worst]

I think the way hockey didn't personally clarify 1-shot was kinda townie as well idk

kinda same

i think a decent part of it is the way he didn't seem to catch that he'd already been rolecopped as 1-shot

[the worst]

That's a decent point but didn't wave confirm Hockey's PR claim? Do you think they're Mafia Backup 1-Shot Gunsmith? Giving Mafia a PR shot after killing a town PR seems so... bad.

this is where i settle as well...lol

umlaut, what are your solve/s like?

[Umlaut]

Ducks are somewhere in the PoE but I just don't think they're scum by play today.

I don't see anything unbelievable or suspicious about Town 1-Shot Backup Gunsmith in itself but I am worried about the sheer amount of town power we're talking at this point and I pretty much believe Stephen has to be telling the truth here, so think we will have to resolve HockeyFan eventually. I disagree it's "doing scum's work for them" because if scum were going to kill HockeyFan for us it would have been last night before they used their gunsmith shot. Wave was quite explicit that they had used all their shots and had no more powers left whereas town!Hockey was an immediate danger that could have won the game immediately last night so I am inclined to agree with Stephen that the kill is a very strange choice.

Dwlee claim I'm mostly inclined to just ignore, it 'makes sense' within the setup but the setup is pretty much known at this point so it's not that hard for them to make up something that makes sense.

Need to take a better look at that VCA when I get a moment.

For now:

VOTE: HockeyFan

[Umlaut]

That's a decent point but didn't wave confirm Hockey's PR claim? Do you think they're Mafia Backup 1-Shot Gunsmith? Giving Mafia a PR shot after killing a town PR seems so... bad.

this is where i settle as well...lol

Actually I thought more about it and giving Mafia a gunsmith shot is kind of meaningless since they have not much of anything to use it on. The 1-Shot part is a bit on the weird side I still agree

[the worst]

*pout*
eyes flip would make solving this game sooo much more fun

That's a decent point but didn't wave confirm Hockey's PR claim? Do you think they're Mafia Backup 1-Shot Gunsmith? Giving Mafia a PR shot after killing a town PR seems so... bad.

this is where i settle as well...lol

Actually I thought more about it and giving Mafia a gunsmith shot is kind of meaningless since they have not much of anything to use it on. The 1-Shot part is a bit on the weird side I still agree

pedit: i guess it's not a major balancing factor if it's one-shot. i feel like it's kind of deliberately swingy for the sake of it + de-synergy-ish with the rest of the setup, is all.

[Umlaut]

umlaut, what are your solve/s like?

I like you for town, I consider Stephen all-but-confirmed town (reëvaluate at lilo if at all), I've sort of come around on Andante after some reflection because you're right that she really is this incomprehensible as town, so I guess it's between Hockey/Eyes/Dwlee. Probably in that order.

[Stephen A Smith]

maybe its just Dlee

VOTE: Dwlee

[Stephen A Smith]

rereading nero's push on hockey didn't feel that theatrey

[Dwlee99]

Nero claimed gunsmith and then I attempted to wagon Scorpious. Did that feel "theatrey?"

[Stephen A Smith]

I thought you were trying to kill eyes all game lol when was this

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: receipts

VOTE: Scorpius
Whatever. I think this is scum (and with eyes)

Andante
the worst
Umlaut
Scorpious
Eyes without a face

In preference order (highest most want to lim)

Eyes
Scorpius
Umlaut
The Worst/Andante (kinda same feeling of just like "meh poe")

Stephen I need you to help me out here and not push on Hockey who is near conftown right now unless the team is like Nero/Hockey/Eyes exactly.

vote count 2.08

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

Andante [2]:

Nero Cain, Umlaut

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Scorpious

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

flavour

VOTE: Scorpius
Whatever. I think this is scum (and with eyes)

lets try this one more time..

VOTE: Nero

Like c'mon just vote Scorpius. Maybe when this flips red the vigilante will put some amount of faith in me and shoot eyes too

NERO ahhh

I want Scorpious or eyes. If you can't do those for whatever reason I need more than "let's get Andante instead"

will u accept "wanted to eliminate the EN GS so mafia (presumably her team) can shoot the backup"

No

Is there a particular reason to lim eyes over scorpious today?

Like okay I understand I've been pushing eyes longer but I felt like scorpious had more traction to begin with but now it's all going to Eyes? And I'm not quite sure why

I also feel better about the likely hypothetical vigilante shooting the VT claim over an unclaimed person (scorpious)

Okay mb
VOTE: Nero
Scorpious/Eyes still need to be looked into

Andante probably town off this

Okay I still think scorpious looks bad

Ugh fuck okay

I thought no CC meant Nero was town, sorry steph

[the worst]

i think both dwlee and hockey look good off scum!nero tbh

[Stephen A Smith]

i guess we can kill eyes if everyone wants to

[HockeyFan]

ok fine maybe he didnt downgrade his claim i still think hes a scumbaggo but im fine going somewhere else or w/e

"My shade was disproved so i guess I have to mislim someone else"(meant as a joke, I think you're town here but cmon lol)

Ducks are somewhere in the PoE but I just don't think they're scum by play today.

I don't see anything unbelievable or suspicious about Town 1-Shot Backup Gunsmith in itself but I am worried about the sheer amount of town power we're talking at this point and I pretty much believe Stephen has to be telling the truth here, so think we will have to resolve HockeyFan eventually. I disagree it's "doing scum's work for them" because if scum were going to kill HockeyFan for us it would have been last night before they used their gunsmith shot. Wave was quite explicit that they had used all their shots and had no more powers left whereas town!Hockey was an immediate danger that could have won the game immediately last night so I am inclined to agree with Stephen that the kill is a very strange choice.

Dwlee claim I'm mostly inclined to just ignore, it 'makes sense' within the setup but the setup is pretty much known at this point so it's not that hard for them to make up something that makes sense.

Need to take a better look at that VCA when I get a moment.

For now:

VOTE: HockeyFan

Coming from the person who 2 posts prior said "Do you think they're Mafia Backup 1-Shot Gunsmith? Giving Mafia a PR shot after killing a town PR seems so... bad." Im asusming this implies that mafia backup 1-shot gunsmith doesnt exist so what is this


im gonna wait for eyes to check in b4 i /maybe/ switch my vote over there

[the worst]

i guess we can kill eyes if everyone wants to

i really wannaaa

[Eyes without a face]

i guess we can kill eyes if everyone wants to

I guess we can

[HockeyFan]

679- "Agree with the sentiment even if I still don't get the Hockey wagon."
"This I can sort of agree with, except that in the same post HockeyFan says: "maybe stephen town for continuing to persits 1 thing instead of just letting it go(cuz it doesn't benefit him as mafia to do this)." And follows up by arguing Stephen is town. The line itself is kind of bad out of context I agree."

This seems like trying to get away with getting thier partner trd without hard pairing


788
Just looks like agreeing with the consensus sentiment when nero was getting TRD

1029- Unrelated to umulat but i dont think scum nero does this with thier parnter(ftr, nero never voted Umulat)

1140- town points, and you could argrue this makes them less paired


1398- also good ig(at least in terms of casing, but this seems like a rather opportune time to bus)

1822 seems like an excuse to get off the nero wagon to try to complelty dissolve it since it was losing steam

2141 makes TW look town fwiw(just like 2181)

2360- why would Nero give "intent" to hammer to thier parnter eyes town for this

2449 right b4 2451 seems baddd

TLDR; I think Umulat has the most scum potential out of anyone in the POE(have not read Eyes, will try for later tn, but i think 2360 and 1029 are good enough for me)