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[Aristeia]

except he's the one who initiated the conversation and when I turned it around on him and accused him of not having reads and pushing me in bad faith and his response was "lol" and then he disappeared from the thread.

That's so malicious. You keep coming back to this argument like closing this game to live my life is the scummiest thing ever.

It's far more likely you're scum panicking rather than town who actually believes I'm scum who made up reads.

If you're town who believes I made up reads I think you press me there.

[VP Baltar]

If you’re town your goal is to not be voted for.

no

[Yeet]

Humaneatingmonkey is +town because I have never seen scum ask town to blanketly explain every single one of their 10+ reads off a casual readslist as their first entry into the game. I think it's easy to feel too self conscious as scum in that approach.

I think he has his own "method to his madness" so to speak (as we all do, to an extent).

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you're town who believes I made up reads I think you press me there.

I'm still pressing you now.

[fireisredsir]

this is blatant framing. there isn't an easy prescribed behavior for how town or scum should react on a bullshit readlist. a town can easy question a readslist because it's an easy thing to get reads on.

what about the read list made you question it? i feel like that is a simple question that is at the crux of this debate and you still haven't given an answer to it

[Aristeia]

If you're town who believes I made up reads I think you press me there.

I'm still pressing you now.

I feel so much pressure from someone who has no reads and decided to hide from me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what about the read list made you question it? i feel like that is a simple question that is at the crux of this debate and you still haven't given an answer to it

that she felt confident enough to have reads that early and that didn't seem possible to me because nothing was alignment indicative at that point. that's why i asked her to explain her POV.

[Nero Cain]

I would like to know why you think Nero Cain is town.

Are you scum reading me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I feel so much pressure from someone who has no reads and decided to hide from me.

Again, so malicious.

[tenebrousluminary]

all of them is not an acceptable response to me as it shows me he has no reads of his own to compare my reads to.

Why can't it show that he genuinely was just trying to firm up his read on you? I asked Save The Dragons a similar question myself for a similar reason.

[Yeet]

The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.

I just don't see the scum motivation here.

[Eyes without a face]

I just finished reading through page 10, so I'm still in catch up. Here is kind of what I have for reads out of that so far:


Town:

Frogsterking

- early attack on Yeet over game delay is tinfoil I'd expect from town FK

Yeet

- wild noob read after wild noob read. Somewhat question if Yeet is not an alt though, in which case maybe this means nothing.

fireisredsir

- has independent thought, calling out post 116 as bad is good. Also seems to not mind poking people, which I appreciate.

skitter30

- Kind of like their pressure on Datisi, but think the over defense of tenesbro is unwarranted. This is probably closer to a null read than a townread in terms of confidence, but I like that she is mixing it up.

Cape90

- probably town for finding frogster town and asking pretty open questions.

Ari

- I like her pressure and vote on monkey when he was being kind of ridiculous.


Null:

DeasVail

- commenting, but not doing a ton. Maybe lean townish.


Scum:

fua

- I find the hard scum read of tenesbro a little contrived, and possibly piling on to a popular opinion in thread.

monkey

- The whole intereaction with ari looks like monkey got over confident with a poke and couldn't explain the position.

Town lean on VP. I don't care about what reads he has here, but he took the time to explain them which I don't think scum would do at this point given that many players are posting read lists that are not explained at all.

So.. Nero atop then VP then everyone else

[Aristeia]

all of them is not an acceptable response to me as it shows me he has no reads of his own to compare my reads to.

Why can't it show that he genuinely was just trying to firm up his read on you? I asked Save The Dragons a similar question myself for a similar reason.

because him not having a read that he's interested in shows me that he's not actually sorting people.

the idea of talking reads out is that

you have reads yourself that you want to talk about

[Yeet]

[quote="In post 582, Nero Cain"][/quote]
I haven't really looked much at your slot, but skimming you I didn't get a positive vibe at least. I wouldn't say scumreading you but you're like maybe slightly below null for me. I'll revisit you later.

[Nero Cain]

I think scum HEM could certainly OMGUS Ari

[VP Baltar]

like, what's your idea here? that scum!me panicked, made a random vote that i had no idea how to justify because i thought i wouldn't get asked about it?? then when, surprise, did get asked about it, i only then started thinking about a justification?? like you know better than this...

I don't think that's an unreasonable argument for skitter to make fwiw. Something of that nature is much more likely to happen in pages 2-3 than it is to happen in pages 52-53.

Not sure I fully agree it makes you scum here, but I don't think skitter is being that unreasonable because your vote did seem a little BS in its level of certitude.

[Aristeia]

it's like showing up to a study group and you haven't done any of the work and you ask your teammate to check her answers to see if she's doing it right.

it's nonsensical and bad faith.

[tenebrousluminary]

I feel so much pressure from someone who has no reads and decided to hide from me.

Again, so malicious.

I have to admit, it does read that way. She might as well have called you a pleb.

[Aristeia]

The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.

I just don't see the scum motivation here.

what would scum HEM do? lay down and let me kill him?

[tenebrousluminary]

The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.

I just don't see the scum motivation here.

I also don't think he would have admitted to having no reads. That was self-defeating in terms of the argument.

[Yeet]

I would like to know why you think Nero Cain is town.

Town Nero is aggressive and stingy. Scum Nero is nice and gentle. Simple.

I'm going to come back to this; the way this was worded makes me feel like there's an alignment tell for eyes here.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Yeet

only time I'll say this stupid word

[tenebrousluminary]

all of them is not an acceptable response to me as it shows me he has no reads of his own to compare my reads to.

Why can't it show that he genuinely was just trying to firm up his read on you? I asked Save The Dragons a similar question myself for a similar reason.

because him not having a read that he's interested in shows me that he's not actually sorting people.

the idea of talking reads out is that

you have reads yourself that you want to talk about

We clearly just don't agree about this. I believe that you believe it.

[Eyes without a face]

I am tentatively at

humaneatingmonkey
GeneralWu


so the other 2 scum are in

Scorpious
Save The Dragons
MalcolmTucker
skitter30
Eyes without a face
Nordom

This sounds more like the town nero I know. Nothing solid yet but a town lean.

So a readslist on Page 12 is a lot different from a readslist on Page 8?

No. But one time it's the other person's fault. Two times it's probably mine.

[Aristeia]

The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.

I just don't see the scum motivation here.

I also don't think he would have admitted to having no reads. That was self-defeating in terms of the argument.

Why does a town player have no reads on page 24?