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[tenebrousluminary]

I am tentatively at

humaneatingmonkey
GeneralWu


so the other 2 scum are in

Scorpious
Save The Dragons
MalcolmTucker
skitter30
Eyes without a face
Nordom

This sounds more like the town nero I know. Nothing solid yet but a town lean.

So a readslist on Page 12 is a lot different from a readslist on Page 8?

No. But one time it's the other person's fault. Two times it's probably mine.

[Nero Cain]

Why does a town player have no reads on page 24?

he's general wu?

[Nordom]

VOTE: Yeet

only time I'll say this stupid word

Can you explain this read?

[Eyes without a face]

I asked you which read you wanted me to elaborate on because I don't feel like answering busy work questions.

I know you're not talking to me but allow me to get this off my chest: If you had done as VP did no one would have had to ask for an explanation. I -for one- need to know if someone is for real or just posting a read list for the sake of it.

[fireisredsir]

The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.

I just don't see the scum motivation here.

he wasn't guns blazing. he was kind of nice about it actually, in a way that felt weird if it was a genuine suspicion, in 224. he came back to the thread guns blazing now, yes, but that's a different situation.

getting in a heated 1v1 is also very much a scum tactic because you don't have to put much energy elsewhere, and people will often townread you for it

[humaneatingmonkey]

the idea of talking reads out is that you have reads yourself that you want to talk about

another idea of talking reads out is that people can understand whether your reads are real or not and therefore get a sense of where your head at.

I'm not seeing that this will be anymore productive. In the interest that you could be a proud town that doesn't like to be questioned (as opposed to scum who drags her feet and plays malicious when questioned), I'm willing to mellow this conversation into something more productive. How about we answer each other from now on and quit this pissing match? I'll ask you questions that you'll answer, and I'll answer questions that you ask.

[tenebrousluminary]

The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.

I just don't see the scum motivation here.

I also don't think he would have admitted to having no reads. That was self-defeating in terms of the argument.

Why does a town player have no reads on page 24?

Why does a scum player?

Why does a town player have no reads on page 24?

he's general wu?

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: Eyes without a face

[Nero Cain]

town get into heated 1v1's too. Is HEM being overly agressive. maybe

[DeasVail]

If you’re town your goal is to not be voted for.

no

Do you think this statement from fua has alignment implications?

[Aristeia]

I will talk to you about any read you want to talk about if you have your own thoughts and you disagree with me on something.

I am not here to do busy work for you.

[Yeet]

here is my way too early vibe list:

good vibes:

yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std

neutrali:

gwu, cape90, deasvail,

badvibes:

tenebro, monkey

can you explain each slot

Okay, I was wrong to say HEM came in guns blazing.

I still don't think he asks Aristeia to explain every single slot on her early readslist if he is scum and it seems like he genuinely expects her to. In my opinion it is easier to fabricate a more normal looking approach to the game than doing something weird and particular like this.

And I don't agree that people often get townread for getting into a heated 1v1, I personally feel the opposite. And I definitely wouldn't expect scum to welcome it against someone who is presumably OMGUSy in the first place. But that's all anedoctal on both our ends.

[fireisredsir]

town get into heated 1v1's too. Is HEM being overly agressive. maybe

ye I'm not saying only scum do it, but yeet was saying scum would never

[Aristeia]

I still don't think he asks Aristeia to explain every single slot on her early readslist if he is scum and it seems like he genuinely expects her to. In my opinion it is easier to fabricate a more normal looking approach to the game than doing something weird and particular like this.

asking questions that you are not really interested in the answer to is literally one of the easiest things for scum to do to coast.

[Yeet]

town get into heated 1v1's too. Is HEM being overly agressive. maybe

ye I'm not saying only scum do it, but yeet was saying scum would never

I said I would never do that as scum, not that no one would.

I still feel it's a big stretch to say scum!HEM's scum agenda here is to get into a 1v1 with Aristeia to avoid doing real stuff in the thread and get townread for 1v1ing her. I think that's just a ridiculous agenda that doesn't make sense to me.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Yeet

only time I'll say this stupid word

Can you explain this read?

I want him to take a hard stance on me

[Yeet]

I still don't think he asks Aristeia to explain every single slot on her early readslist if he is scum and it seems like he genuinely expects her to. In my opinion it is easier to fabricate a more normal looking approach to the game than doing something weird and particular like this.

asking questions that you are not really interested in the answer to is literally one of the easiest things for scum to do to coast.

Sure, but why would he ask you about every single read as scum, which is clearly a big ask? It's more likely to me that he saw noticed something in particular as town and didn't care about how the possible interaction would unfold. Scum subconsciously plan ahead more than town, is one of the theses I have in this read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will talk to you about any read you want to talk about if you have your own thoughts and you disagree with me on something.

I am not here to do busy work for you.

Okay nice. You don't have to do any busy work for me. Let's have a vulnerable and honest chat.

My thoughts are: I can't imagine anyone having reads at that point of the game, and I want to understand if your slot is town or scum by asking you about your readslist. This is so that I can see if your POV is fake (scum faking their reads, because they're basically spoiled who's scum or not) or if your having a genuine thought process (town putting their thoughts out there).

Now the question isn't to give you any busy work. Please don't think that. (No no no) It's so that I can read your slot better.

Let's start at: Why do you feel that yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std are all good vibes at #208?

[fireisredsir]

I still feel it's a big stretch to say scum!HEM's scum agenda here is to get into a 1v1 with Aristeia to avoid doing real stuff in the thread and get townread for 1v1ing her. I think that's just a ridiculous agenda that doesn't make sense to me.

i don't think it was his agenda to start. if he's scum he probably was just poking at something that he thought was easy to poke at. when he came back today though i think he 100% had an agenda, whether he is scum or town, and that was to be way more aggressive and confident than he had any right to be, because from what I gather, he is pretty comfortable in that playstyle as either alignment

[Aristeia]

I still feel it's a big stretch to say scum!HEM's scum agenda here is to get into a 1v1 with Aristeia to avoid doing real stuff in the thread and get townread for 1v1ing her. I think that's just a ridiculous agenda that doesn't make sense to me.

I'm fairly sure he didn't plan to have a 1v1 or get into a fight.

He probably thought it would be fairly convenient to ask some questions about my reads and get some answers to make it look like he's "sorting" me or "interested" in my reads.

I turned it around and asked him which read he was interested in because I wanted to see what his thought process was - since if he had someone at a similar read, it wouldn't make sense for him to ask about it - it really only makes sense to ask about reads you disagree with.

He couldn't really come up with a single example and when I accused him of not having reads and not spotting the STD read if he was genuinely interested in my readlist - he responded with "lol" and then disappeared.

Now he's come back and decided to double down on 1v1ing me after seeing that I didn't go away or get distracted by something else; since at this point the hiding from me strategy didn't work he's going for the run at me full speed and challenge me to a fight strategy.

[Aristeia]

Sure, but why would he ask you about every single read as scum, which is clearly a big ask? It's more likely to me that he saw noticed something in particular as town and didn't care about how the possible interaction would unfold. Scum subconsciously plan ahead more than town, is one of the theses I have in this read.

yes that's exactly what I'm saying - town usually see a read they disagree with or don't like and want to talk about it - scum like to ask for a multitude of reads because they want to pick out which read to attack for being "weak" etc. It's a difference in approach that heavily leans scum.

[fireisredsir]

It's more likely to me that he saw noticed something in particular as town and didn't care about how the possible interaction would unfold.

that's exactly the point, though. if he noticed something in particular as town, then he would have been able to point out a read that looked off. that was why ari prompted him for one. he's made it clear since then that he did not notice something in particular, he just thought that it was too early to have a read list

[Aristeia]

Let's start at: Why do you feel that yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std are all good vibes at #208?

writing the names out doesn't make your request any more nonsensical.

you can pick a name to talk about or I can pick a name to talk about.

I suggest you pick the one you have the most disagreement with me on.

If you want to say you have no thoughts on any of those slots you might as well just claim scum and stop wasting my time.

[fireisredsir]

ok ill just pause and let ari reply to things instead since apparently we are just gonna say exactly the same thing at the same time anyway

[humaneatingmonkey]

jesus christ