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[Yeet]

VPB, what is your read on Datisi? You don’t mention it in readslist but I do see you taking issue with my early scumread of him.

[tenebrousluminary]

Nordom, who is scum?

[VP Baltar]

And yes, I can scumread both skitter and Datisi (at the time) but argue skitter is more likely to be scum in a world where Datisi is town. I am nowhere near confident enough yet to starting solving the whole scumteam, and I don’t think anyone should be really. One of My goals today is to find at least one person today who I think is a >rand elimination.

You don't have to solve the whole scum team for it to not make sense. At that point, I believe you were still having datisi as your top scum read. You then went after skitter for going after datisi because of semantics or whatever.

It's a bit grabbing at straws, but I don't think there was malice on your part so it's whatever.

I'm not trying to diminish your play or tell you how to play the game. You do you. It's just the kind of grabbing at the next shiny thing less experienced players sometimes do without thinking "does this make sense with how I was feeling previously about other players in the game".

[Yeet]

Nero Cain, since you want me to commit to a stance on you: I don’t townread anything in your ISO. Overall for me that’s a slight negative, but there’s plenty of time left.

[Nordom]

Nordom, who is scum?

Uh, Daitisi I guess, but I'm waiting for them respond.

[VP Baltar]

VPB, what is your read on Datisi? You don’t mention it in readslist but I do see you taking issue with my early scumread of him.

Null right now. I thought skitter had some fair points datisi was being overly defensive about, but that could also be NAI.

[VP Baltar]

Nordom, who is scum?

Uh, Daitisi I guess, but I'm waiting for them respond.

Datisi is asleep for several more hours I think

[Nordom]

VP, is it your usual modus opreandi to give out early reads like you did as town?

[Yeet]

It is interesting that Datisi is pretty much universally very unpopular today (except in Aristeia’s eyes, but I worry she may be biased. Nevertheless I am still keeping her opinion very much in mind because I presume she knows him well).

Is he normally this unpopular at gamestart?

[VP Baltar]

VP, is it your usual modus opreandi to give out early reads like you did as town?

The game is 28 pages...is that early reads?

Overall, I find it helpful when I have a big catch up like that to take notes and sort how I feel about people. I just decided to post my hip-shot notes in thread. I wouldn't take most of those as set in stone right now, since as you can see there are a number of people I didn't get strong enough reactions from to even list.

What do you think about my sorts and how do they align with yours?

[Nordom]

It is interesting that Datisi is pretty much universally very unpopular today (except in Aristeia’s eyes, but I worry she may be biased. Nevertheless I am still keeping her opinion very much in mind because I presume she knows him well).

Is he normally this unpopular at gamestart?

Why is it interesting? I would say Wu and Monkey have gotten more shade thrown on them than Daitisi has.

[VP Baltar]

It is interesting that Datisi is pretty much universally very unpopular today (except in Aristeia’s eyes, but I worry she may be biased. Nevertheless I am still keeping her opinion very much in mind because I presume she knows him well).

Is he normally this unpopular at gamestart?

Huh? I don't think datisi is universally unpopular.

[Yeet]

Datisi is the leading wagon I believe despite taking up a lot of space and actually playing the game. To my understanding No one townreads him except one person who knows him more intimately than others, it seems. He is not a polarizing slot as much as a universally southnull slot.

Wu seems to blend into the background more with less content/words ratio.

Monkey is a more polarizing slot rather than purely getting flak. I could be biased since I was one of the monkey defenders.

[Nordom]

VP, is it your usual modus opreandi to give out early reads like you did as town?

The game is 28 pages...is that early reads?

Overall, I find it helpful when I have a big catch up like that to take notes and sort how I feel about people. I just decided to post my hip-shot notes in thread. I wouldn't take most of those as set in stone right now, since as you can see there are a number of people I didn't get strong enough reactions from to even list.

What do you think about my sorts and how do they align with yours?

Well, for me personally I don't like committing to alignment reads unless I'm sure certain. But, I can see the logic in a player taking slip-shod notes as they re-read.

[VP Baltar]

Well, for me personally I don't like committing to alignment reads unless I'm sure certain. But, I can see the logic in a player taking slip-shod notes as they re-read.

I don't mind changing my reads if something shifts for me.

Can you answer my question about your assessment of my reads and how they align with yours?

[Yeet]

I think we should mount the pressure on Datisi sooner rather than later.

Let’s get some wagons going, guys. I don’t want to stall around all day and move last minute and scramble when we can just go sheep sheep sheep.

[fireisredsir]

id say i have datisi on the town side of null at the moment. i didn't really get the sense that there was a universal agreement on him looking bad

[DeasVail]

@VP Baltar, regarding Yeet:

41 was not necessarily a post I agreed with at the time, however was very understandable from someone not familiar with Datisi and reminded me of ways that I have felt about Datisi in previous games.
Yeet's suspicion of skitter, in my opinion best expressed in 131, was actually what went through my mind as well when first reading the skitter post in question (and I believe I made a comment on it at the time). I had since decided against my initial thought, but it was eerie how closely Yeet's post resembled my own thoughts.

577 was a post on humaneatingmonkey that I appreciated because it was reflecting on the situation in a way that I hadn't yet considered and gave me more to think about.

[Nordom]

Well, for me personally I don't like committing to alignment reads unless I'm sure certain. But, I can see the logic in a player taking slip-shod notes as they re-read.

I don't mind changing my reads if something shifts for me.

Can you answer my question about your assessment of my reads and how they align with yours?

I just finished reading through page 10, so I'm still in catch up. Here is kind of what I have for reads out of that so far:


Town:

Frogsterking

- early attack on Yeet over game delay is tinfoil I'd expect from town FK

Yeet

- wild noob read after wild noob read. Somewhat question if Yeet is not an alt though, in which case maybe this means nothing.

fireisredsir

- has independent thought, calling out post 116 as bad is good. Also seems to not mind poking people, which I appreciate.

skitter30

- Kind of like their pressure on Datisi, but think the over defense of tenesbro is unwarranted. This is probably closer to a null read than a townread in terms of confidence, but I like that she is mixing it up.

Cape90

- probably town for finding frogster town and asking pretty open questions.

Ari

- I like her pressure and vote on monkey when he was being kind of ridiculous.


Null:

DeasVail

- commenting, but not doing a ton. Maybe lean townish.


Scum:

fua

- I find the hard scum read of tenesbro a little contrived, and possibly piling on to a popular opinion in thread.

monkey

- The whole intereaction with ari looks like monkey got over confident with a poke and couldn't explain the position.

Don't agree with your fire, monkey, and maybe skitter reads. Everything else I find kind of on par.

[Nordom]

Actually, I'm not too sold on fua being outright scum either

[VP Baltar]

Actually, I'm not too sold on fua being outright scum either

Who do you have as scum again?

[VP Baltar]

I think we should mount the pressure on Datisi sooner rather than later.

Being real with you, it's unlikely I ever support a D1 Datisi wagon.

[Nordom]

Actually, I'm not too sold on fua being outright scum either

Who do you have as scum again?

Daitsi, as I said. Was it easy to miss my reply a page ago or what?

[VP Baltar]

Actually, I'm not too sold on fua being outright scum either

Who do you have as scum again?

Daitsi, as I said. Was it easy to miss my reply a page ago or what?

That's it? Hmmmm

[Nordom]

I think we should mount the pressure on Datisi sooner rather than later.

Let’s get some wagons going, guys. I don’t want to stall around all day and move last minute and scramble when we can just go sheep sheep sheep.

Agreed. Let's go.