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[Nordom]

Actually, I'm not too sold on fua being outright scum either

Who do you have as scum again?

Daitsi, as I said. Was it easy to miss my reply a page ago or what?

That's it? Hmmmm

Yeah. The only thing I took note of was DeasVail's easy breezy agreement with me, but that's pretty much it.

[VP Baltar]

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

[Nordom]

What's the bullet point case on datisi again?

Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.

[fua]

I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagon

I don't remember doing this. What do you mean?

“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.

I am not sure how you got that idea from what I wrote, but okay.

It would be difficult for me to think any case against me had merit when I know it to be wrong.

Yes, but I would think you would at least go and defend your position or acknowledge the votes on you. Your playstyle so far has been very dismissive and I find that that typically comes from scum.

Fua looks objectively terrible in this exchange, and isn't even scumreading Tenesbro's 116 for the correct reason (which is that reads like pocketing of Yeet.)

How is it objectively terrible? What am I supposed to do instead? I brought new ideas to the table regarding Tenebro because he's a genuine scumread of mine. I think recent posts show that he's a little more likely to be noob town including Wu's opinion on him, so I'd like to see how you find it scummy.

You accused him of saying something he didn't say in the post you referenced. He asks for an explanation, then you doubled down on it anyway when it was clear you misread the game or at the very least misstated what you were saying.

That's not genuine interaction. My read of it is you saw a semi-popular target and piled on with contrived reasons.

It was literally implied in the way he went about it. Of course he didn't say it verbatim, but with the tone and manner of which it was gone about he might as well have.

[VP Baltar]

Datisi pressured monkey? I honestly felt like he didn't take a strong position on that exchange.

I could be missing something because I was getting somewhat Corso eyed toward the end of my catchup

[fua]

Does scum-reading two players equate to having to team them, especially this early in the game?

This is a good post and a philosophy I always have and always will go by.

[Nordom]

Datisi pressured monkey? I honestly felt like he didn't take a strong position on that exchange.

I could be missing something because I was getting somewhat Corso eyed toward the end of my catchup

Well, he didn't take a hard-stance in outright calling him scum, but he certainly felt the need to give little "snacks for thought" regarding monkey without committing himself fully.

[fua]

I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.

[VP Baltar]

It was literally implied in the way he went about it. Of course he didn't say it verbatim, but with the tone and manner of which it was gone about he might as well have.

That doesn't sound made up at all. A thing that wasn't said in thread and that no one but you saw.

[VP Baltar]

Datisi pressured monkey? I honestly felt like he didn't take a strong position on that exchange.

I could be missing something because I was getting somewhat Corso eyed toward the end of my catchup

Well, he didn't take a hard-stance in outright calling him scum, but he certainly felt the need to give little "snacks for thought" regarding monkey without committing himself fully.

That doesn't seem like pressuring monkey as you say. When datisi pressures people, it's quite clear

[fua]

Okay, so take everything literally and at face value from now on. Will do, chief.

[Nordom]

Datisi pressured monkey? I honestly felt like he didn't take a strong position on that exchange.

I could be missing something because I was getting somewhat Corso eyed toward the end of my catchup

Well, he didn't take a hard-stance in outright calling him scum, but he certainly felt the need to give little "snacks for thought" regarding monkey without committing himself fully.

That doesn't seem like pressuring monkey as you say. When datisi pressures people, it's quite clear

Pressure, throwing shade, what does it matter? My point is that he felt to give attention to him when Monkey was an obvious player of contention. If it were a "passing observation" it'd be one thing, but he felt that he had to get involved in the process with the pressure on Monkey. It wouldn't be such a red flag with me, but Datisi was also involved with the shit with Wu, which I felt was a weak push in the first place.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.

what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read him

[fua]

I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.

what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read him

I think that he is bringing new ideas to the table and approaching the situations with nuance, but also I'm inherently biased because I'm the one being suspected and I know he's wrong. I think him not mentioning where he stands on GeneralWu is a little weird considering he's been one of the most controversial out so far today and I disagree with the consensus on you because I know you're typically snappy and whatnot. That makes me TR Nero more for wanting Ari to fulfill your request and Nordom is currently a strong TR for me as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

why do you think ari and i are tvt? i came out of that scumreading ari.

so you think ari and datisi are scum buddies here? idgi

too early to tell. i believe they're slots that need attention. an early datisi wagon has the chance to be most productive. although i don't mind limming ari if she's going to be belligerent. I'd rather flip that slot.

[Nordom]

Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

[Nordom]

I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.

what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read him

I think that he is bringing new ideas to the table and approaching the situations with nuance, but also I'm inherently biased because I'm the one being suspected and I know he's wrong. I think him not mentioning where he stands on GeneralWu is a little weird considering he's been one of the most controversial out so far today and I disagree with the consensus on you because I know you're typically snappy and whatnot. That makes me TR Nero more for wanting Ari to fulfill your request and Nordom is currently a strong TR for me as well.

Why am I such a strong TR?

[humaneatingmonkey]

start contributing to the game

why do you TR ari

[Nordom]

start contributing to the game

why do you TR ari

Already said. You and Ari's little "lover spat" wasn't something that I saw as "maf trying to maneuver out and sleaze their way out of an interaction" from either of you. Despite Ari being more articulate, I think you had kind of had a more "natural townie" approach with aggressive posting and not caring what people thought. I think Ari's post where they said "I got you in my trap" (they didn't literally say that, but) seemed townie.

[fua]

I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.

what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read him

I think that he is bringing new ideas to the table and approaching the situations with nuance, but also I'm inherently biased because I'm the one being suspected and I know he's wrong. I think him not mentioning where he stands on GeneralWu is a little weird considering he's been one of the most controversial out so far today and I disagree with the consensus on you because I know you're typically snappy and whatnot. That makes me TR Nero more for wanting Ari to fulfill your request and Nordom is currently a strong TR for me as well.

Why am I such a strong TR?

Also because I'm biased and your statements are generally the same as what I'm thinking.

[fua]

I disagree with part of the Ari read from you and VPB but that's a conversation for another time.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Ari's post where they said "I got you in my trap" (they didn't literally say that, but) seemed townie.

it seems scummy that she used that post to dismiss the interaction with me. i strongly believe that her purpose for voting me there wasn't to sort me or to engage me, but to dismiss the line of questioning about her reads.

really though, her scumread on me was based on: 1.) me asking big questions she claims is designed to get her to do busywork (is it really busywork to explain your reads) 2.) me not having any reads despite having her and datisi as FOS. 3.) me leaving and ghosting the thread (i didn't).

are these so solidly scum-indicative that it's necessary to dismiss a productive encounter? that's not town behavior for me. that's scum-avoiding exposure.
or is she the type to be stubborn because she can't take being the recipient of questions regardless of she's town?

[Nordom]

I think Ari's post where they said "I got you in my trap" (they didn't literally say that, but) seemed townie.

it seems scummy that she used that post to dismiss the interaction with me. i strongly believe that her purpose for voting me there wasn't to sort me or to engage me, but to dismiss the line of questioning about her reads.

really though, her scumread on me was based on: 1.) me asking big questions she claims is designed to get her to do busywork (is it really busywork to explain your reads) 2.) me not having any reads despite having her and datisi as FOS. 3.) me leaving and ghosting the thread (i didn't).

are these so solidly scum-indicative that it's necessary to dismiss a productive encounter? that's not town behavior for me. that's scum-avoiding exposure.
or is she the type to be stubborn because she can't take being the recipient of questions regardless of she's town?

What "big questions" are you talking about?

[humaneatingmonkey]

me trying to get her to explain her early reads lol

[VP Baltar]

Pressure, throwing shade, what does it matter?

Well, those aren't the same thing for one....